After a 40-year career in trust banking, our guest was ready to retire—or so he thought. Instead, God had other plans: a second calling into global missions, Business as Mission (BAM), and now life leadership coaching. In this conversation, Mike Baer and our guest unpack how the Lord redirected our guests path, why the Church often misses the connection between Sunday and Monday, and how coaching helps BAM practitioners around the world thrive—not just in business, but in life.

Our guest shares the story behind his unexpected shift from EPC missions leader to Ziglar-certified coach, what real coaching means (and how it differs from mentoring or consulting), and why helping people rediscover their dreams is a holy calling. If you're nearing retirement, feeling disconnected from your work, or wondering what’s next—this episode offers clarity, encouragement, and a fresh take on living with eternal purpose.

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