What happens when a church starts looking more like a coffee shop than a Sunday service?

In this episode of Kingdom Keys for Business, Life and Work, Gea Gort and Bill Job talk with Paul Unsworth, founder of Kahaila, a thriving café and community in East London that has become a powerful example of Business as Mission in action.

As a Baptist pastor, Paul became convinced that many people would never walk into a church building—but they would walk into a coffee shop. That conviction led him to create a space where people could belong before they believed, where faith could be discovered through relationships, hospitality, and practical love.

What started as a café on Brick Lane grew into initiatives helping women leave sex work, supporting survivors of human trafficking, creating employment opportunities, and launching new businesses that continue to transform lives.

Paul also shares honestly about the challenges: growing too fast, navigating organizational tensions, surviving COVID, and learning to trust God's voice through seasons of pruning and uncertainty.

This conversation is a powerful encouragement for anyone sensing God's invitation to step out in faith, even when they feel unqualified. Paul: "My main gift isn't entrepreneurship. My main gift is faith." 

The next cohort Kingdom Mindsets for Business starts Wednesday September 23rd. You are invited to join this 10-week online program, which includes six biweekly sessions with Bill and Gea. Due to the smaller group setting, space is limited. 

In this episode:

• Why Paul skipped church to explore London's streets
• Creating belonging before belief
• Starting a café as a form of church
• How business became a platform for mission
• Supporting women leaving sex work and survivors of trafficking
• Lessons from rapid growth and painful pruning
• Hearing God's voice in difficult seasons
• Why faith matters more than expertise
• How God provides what we need when we step out in obedience

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What happens when you think you heard God clearly… but life turns out completely different?

In this honest and deeply personal conversation, host Gea Gort sits down again with Bill Job to talk about disappointment, closed doors, wrong assumptions, and learning to trust God beyond outcomes. Together they explore what it means to live with God instead of merely doing things for Him.

Bill shares stories of missing direction, unexpected detours, surrender, desires, identity, and the surprising freedom that comes from relationship over performance. From airplanes and mission life to unanswered expectations and spiritual growth, this episode is full of vulnerable reflections and practical wisdom for anyone trying to discern God’s voice in everyday life.

Timeline

• 00:00 – Introduction
• 00:20 – What if you thought God spoke… but things turned out differently?
• 01:16 – Bill shares how often he “misses it” and learning to recover quickly
• 02:47 – Fear of making wrong decisions and learning to trust God
• 04:46 – Surrender, obedience, and the adventure of following Jesus
• 06:26 – “Slave” language, identity, and God’s character
• 07:47 – Does following God mean losing yourself?
• 09:01 – Airplanes, desires, and how God gives gifts
• 12:33 – Sacrifice, suffering, and religious thinking
• 14:03 – Dying to self versus living resurrected life
• 18:17 – Still learning after decades of walking with God
• 19:24 – The oil drilling story: when the real “oil” was people
• 21:04 – Closed doors, disappointment, and healing deeper issues
• 24:05 – Ministry success versus relationship with God
• 26:28 – From performance and goals to deeper intimacy
• 28:01 – Spiritual warfare and opposition
• 29:21 – Final reflections and looking ahead to future conversations

This conversation doesn’t offer simple formulas or “five steps to success” — but it does invite you into a more relational, honest, and freeing walk with God.

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In this thought-provoking episode, Bill Job explores a powerful metaphor: just as ALS disconnects the brain from the body, many believers live disconnected from the Head — Jesus Himself.

Bill shares why hearing God’s voice is not reserved for a spiritual elite, but is meant to be a normal part of everyday life. From practical stories about daily decisions to deeper reflections on identity, shame, joy, and intimacy with God, this conversation challenges religious mindsets and invites listeners into a more relational walk with Jesus.

Together, Bill and Gea discuss:

• What “Spiritual ALS” means for the Church
• Why many believers struggle to hear God’s voice
• The difference between conviction and condemnation
• How church culture and shame can block intimacy with God
• Learning to recognize God’s “accent”
• Living with joy in ordinary daily life
• Why following Jesus should feel more relational than religious

This episode is both deeply practical and spiritually refreshing — especially for anyone longing to experience a closer, more natural relationship with God.

📌 In the next episode, Bill will discuss what happens when we think we heard God… but things turn out differently than expected.

👉 Subscribe for more conversations on hearing God, Kingdom living, business, life, and faith.

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What if play isn’t a luxury—but a key to a child’s future?

In this episode, Bill Job and I sit down with Ferdi van den Bergh to explore a different side of his journey—far beyond business in the Netherlands. This time, we dive into his heart for children in Uganda and the story behind Tjeko, a growing social enterprise creating spaces where kids can simply be kids.

Ferdi shares how a simple moment—watching children peeking through a fence at others playing—sparked a vision:

What if every child had access to joy, creativity, and play?

From that moment, Tjeko was born. What started as a personal desire to create something for his own daughter has grown into a mission reaching thousands of children—combining business and ministry in a sustainable way.

This conversation is about more than playgrounds. It’s about:

• Seeing the gold in people.
• Building something that is both social and profitable
• Choosing joy—even in difficult seasons
• And discovering how God can use your natural talents for a bigger purpose

💡 Key takeaway: You don’t have to separate business and mission. Sometimes, the most powerful impact starts with simply noticing what’s missing—and responding.

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What if the real “gold” in your business isn’t your strategy… but your people?

In this episode, we sit down with Ferdi van den Bergh to explore a powerful shift in leadership: from managing performance to discovering hidden value in the people around you.

Ferdi shares insights from his upcoming book 'Goud in Handen' (Gold in Hands) and his work with businesses across the Netherlands. Together, with Bill Job, Gea Gort, we unpack what it really means to “see” people—not just for what they do, but for who they are and what they carry.

This conversation goes beyond theory. It’s about real businesses, real pressure, and the tension between profit and people—and how both actually belong together.

🔑 What you’ll learn in this episode:

• Why your employees are the real “gold” in your organization
• How to recognize hidden potential in your team
• The role of vision in unlocking people’s value
• Why timing and patience matter in leadership
• The balance between business results and caring for people
• A simple but powerful practice to start seeing people differently

💡 One takeaway to remember: Take two minutes and ask yourself: “When did someone truly see me—and what did that unlock?” Now go and do that for someone else.

📘 Ferdi’s book 'Goud in Handen' (Gold in Hands) launches during a symposium Gold Within, June 23rd in the Netherlands, for info see https://goud-in-handen.nl/  

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What happens when business stops being just about profit and starts becoming a place of discipleship, pastoral care, and listening to God?

In this second conversation with Jonathan Brake, we go deeper into what it means to build a disciple-making business.

Jonathan shares from his work coaching business owners in the United States, helping leaders create healthy cultures that start with their own formation before function.

Together, we explore how hearing God’s voice can shape leadership, coaching, company culture, and the way we value people in the workplace. This conversation is full of practical wisdom for business owners, leaders, and anyone who wants to follow Jesus more closely in everyday work.

We talk about:

• why healthy businesses start with healthy leaders
• how Jonathan coaches business owners by first listening to their story
• the role of listening prayer in leadership and strategy
• how God speaks in the middle of business decisions
• why employees are not just resources, but people with eternal value
• what it means to pastor and disciple people in the workplace
• how abiding in God changes the way we lead

This episode is an encouragement for anyone who wants to move from living for God to living with Him — also in business.

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What happens when the business you poured your heart into suddenly comes to an end — and you are left not only with uncertainty, but also with shame?

In this honest and hope-filled episode, we sit down with Kingdom-minded leader Jonathan Brake to talk about the personal impact of losing his business and the inner journey that followed. Beyond the practical consequences, Jonathan shares openly about the emotional weight he carried — the sense of failure, and the struggle with shame that many entrepreneurs experience but rarely talk about.

This conversation offers encouragement for entrepreneurs, leaders, and professionals navigating setbacks, transitions, or unexpected endings. It is a reminder that while businesses can be lost and reputations can feel shaken, purpose rooted in God’s Kingdom remains steady — and new direction can emerge from even the most painful experiences.

🎙 Kingdom Keys for Business, Life and Work is part of the BAM Moves platform, equipping entrepreneurs and leaders to integrate faith, purpose, and practical action in business and everyday life. You can also watch the video version on BAM Moves YouTube channel. 

In this episode of Kingdom Keys for Business, Life and Work, we continue the conversation with Leen de Bruyne—entrepreneur, author of 'Building a Startup Without Going Crazy, and founder of the Living Hope venture capital fund.

Leen shares how a clear sense of calling led him to start Living Hope, a European, faith-driven investment fund—confirmed in unexpected ways. He talks openly about courage, risk, and learning to walk “on water” in business. Central themes include investing in community, stewardship over ownership, and building from meaning instead of fear.

This conversation invites you to move from fear to meaning, from ego to calling, a from control to trust—in business and beyond.

On Wednesday, March 25th, 2026, the first cohort session of the Training Kingdom Mindsets for Business starts. Interested in this ten-week online training together with Christian entrepreneurs from around the world? Registration and more info at http://www.bammoves.com   

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Christian entrepreneur burnout is real. How do you build a startup without losing your identity, your faith, or your soul?

In this episode, Leen de Bruyne shares how startup success led to anxiety and burnout—and how rediscovering his identity in Christ changed the way he builds, leads, and lives.

The link to get Leen's book 'Building a Startup Without Going Crazy >> https://leendebruyne.com    

On Wednesday, March 25th, 2026, the first cohort session of the Training Kingdom Mindsets for Business starts. Interested in this ten-week online training together with Christian entrepreneurs from around the world? Registration and more info at http://www.bammoves.com  

What do you do when a business that should work… doesn’t?

After years of seeing God’s tangible involvement in business overseas, Bill Job shares what happened when he started a company in the U.S. — and the results were very different. No quick wins. No obvious favor. Just losses, questions, and an invitation to go deeper.

This episode explores leadership in uncertainty, moving beyond “common sense,” and rediscovering what it means to truly invite God into the work — even when the story isn’t finished yet.

A rerun of 'Thriving Amidst Adversities. Part 4'. (April 2024)

Training Kingdom Mindsets for Business. Gea Gort and Bill developed a 10-week training program to empower business leaders and professionals to partner with God at work. The training includes six online sessions in a small cohort. The next cohort starts March 25th, 2026. Look at our site www.bammoves.com. Mail Gea when you're interested >> [email protected]