Power without guardrails doesn’t just bend the law—it breaks trust. We sit down with former U.S. Attorney Barb McQuade to unpack how federal-state partnerships actually solve complex crimes, and why those partnerships falter when DOJ norms are sidelined by politics and performative “toughness.” From FBI and DEA collaborations that cross borders to the grand jury and charging protocols that keep prosecutions rooted in facts, we walk through the machinery that keeps justice fair—and what happens when leaders try to manipulate our systems to their own advantage. 

Barb takes us inside the culture of DOJ: why morale matters, how selective investigations and “name and shame” tactics corrode legitimacy, and what it costs when dockets are flooded with low-complexity immigration cases at the expense of public corruption, cartel, and violent crime work. We get specific on Arizona’s fentanyl pipeline, agent redeployments that weaken strategic cases, and the difference between optics and outcomes. We also examine leadership under pressure, from subpoenas targeting gender-affirming care to universities and hospitals that “obey in advance,” and why institutions must balance legal risk with their own organizational values. 

We don’t stop at problems. Together, we outline a path to repair: codify core DOJ norms into durable regulations, restore a real firewall between the White House and federal investigations, reinvest in prevention and complex cases, and demand a Congress that reasserts oversight regardless of party. The through line is simple and urgent—democracy relies on rules, habits, and courage.