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There is no one-size-fits-all way to support a neurodivergent child because there is no one-size-fits-all child or family.
My guest this week is Katie Piura, a licensed clinical social worker and the founder of Haven Youth Counseling. Katie works with children, teens, young adults, and families, with a particular focus on emotional regulation.
Our conversation starts with something that sounds obvious but is surprisingly easy to lose sight of: your child is unique.
Their personality is unique. Their nervous system is unique. Their environment is unique. And their culture is part of the picture too.
There is a LOT of parenting information out there, especially for families raising neurodivergent kids. Some of it is useful. Some of it may be useful for somebody else's child. And some of it asks families to ignore pieces of themselves that actually matter.
As a speech therapist, I have seen this firsthand with bilingual families who were told to stop speaking their native language to a child because the child had a language delay.
Please don't do that.
Language is part of culture. It is part of connection. And supporting a child should not automatically require a family to give up an important piece of who they are.
Katie talks about helping families look at culture with some nuance. There may be traditions, values, and relationships that are tremendous sources of strength. There may also be beliefs or expectations that a parent decides no longer fit their child or the family they are building.
Both things can be true.
Katie specifically talks about familismo in Latin cultures and the value placed on closeness, extended family, and community. Those connections can be a huge support for families. And when relatives are far away because a family has immigrated, parents may have to intentionally build a new version of that community through friends, neighbors, and other trusted people.
We also talk about what can happen when cultural ideas about resilience collide with neurodivergence.
A family may have survived immigration, enormous uncertainty, financial stress, or other incredibly difficult experiences. From that perspective, it can be hard to understand why a child cannot simply push through a transition, manage an emotion, or do something that seems relatively small.
But understanding neurodivergence means understanding that the child may genuinely need something different.
That brings us to one of Katie's central ideas: connection over correction.
When a child melts down, refuses something, lashes out, or becomes overwhelmed, we can absolutely care about changing the behavior. But before we jump straight to the consequence, Katie encourages parents to get curious about what the behavior may be communicating.
A meltdown is the tip of the iceberg.
Maybe there is disappointment underneath it. Maybe rejection. Maybe sensory overwhelm. Maybe the child does not yet have the language or regulation skills to communicate what is happening more effectively.
The question becomes less "How do I make this stop?" and more "Why is this happening?"
And no, the answer is almost never "because my child wants to make me mad."
We also get into co-regulation and what the parent brings into these moments.
If I am immediately activated by what I interpret as disrespect, defiance, or talking back, that reaction may have roots in my own upbringing or culture. That does not make my culture bad. It gives me useful information about what is happening inside ME.
Can I notice that reaction?
Can I regulate myself enough to listen?
Can I make room for my child's feedback without giving up my role as the parent?
This is the kind of work Katie describes as conscious parenting: understanding what your child needs while also becoming more aware of your own history, expectations, and reactions.
Because good support is not about applying the "right" parenting strategy to every neurodivergent child.
It is about paying attention to THIS child, in THIS family, with THIS history, culture, nervous system, and set of needs.
Key TakeawaysNeurodivergent children need individualized support because personality, nervous system, environment, family, and culture all influence what works for a particular child.
Parenting information should be treated as information rather than an absolute rule, especially when advice conflicts with a family's culture, language, or values.
Maintaining a child's connection to their family language and culture can be an important part of maintaining connection within the family itself.
Parents can honor the parts of their culture that support their family while also choosing to examine or change expectations that no longer serve them or their child.
Cultural values around resilience may sometimes make a child's neurodivergent needs harder to understand, particularly when adults have survived very different kinds of hardship themselves.
"Connection over correction" means trying to understand what is happening beneath a behavior before moving immediately to consequences or behavior change.
A meltdown, refusal, impulsive reaction, or other challenging behavior can provide information about emotions, regulation, sensory needs, communication, or other unmet needs.
Extended family and community can be important sources of support, and families living far from relatives may need to intentionally build their own network of trusted people.
Co-regulation starts with the adult noticing and managing their own emotional response before trying to help a child regulate theirs.
Parents can become more conscious of how their own upbringing and cultural expectations shape their reactions without treating those influences as inherently right or wrong.
Katie Piura, LCSW, is the Founder and Clinical Director of Haven Youth Counseling. She specializes in helping children, teens, young adults, and families strengthen emotional regulation skills to navigate anxiety, overwhelm, and ADHD with greater confidence.
Using an evidence-based, compassionate approach, Katie integrates CBT, DBT, ACT, and other trauma-informed therapies to help clients better understand their emotions, build resilience, and create lasting, meaningful change.
About Your Host, Gabriele NicoletI'm Gabriele Nicolet, toddler whisperer, speech therapist, parenting life coach, and host of Complicated Kids. Each week, I share practical, relationship-based strategies for raising kids with big feelings, big needs, and beautifully different brains. My goal is to help families move from surviving to thriving by building connection, confidence, and clarity at home.
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My good friend Jenn Glacel is back on Complicated Kids, and this time we are talking about something adults are not always very comfortable doing with children:
Apologizing.
Jenn makes the case pretty simply. Humans get things wrong. We hurt people sometimes, intentionally or unintentionally. And if we want our kids to learn how to take responsibility and apologize when they make a mistake, they need to see us do it too.
Kids learn a lot more from what we model than from what we tell them.
Of course, this immediately brings us to the question some parents have about authority. If I apologize to my child, am I somehow weakening my position as the adult?
Jenn and I would argue the opposite.
Being the adult means having more responsibility in the relationship, not less. We have more life experience, more tools, and more capacity. Our kids have equal worth and agency, but they are still developing the skills they need to manage themselves and their relationships.
So what does an actual apology look like?
Jenn gives a wonderfully simple example from her own family. She had been overwhelmed, her child was overwhelmed, and she pushed in a way that made the situation worse.
Later, she came back and owned it.
She said she was sorry. She named what she had done. And then she stopped.
No long explanation.
No "but you were also..."
No expectation that her child reassure her that everything was fine.
That last part is important.
A clean apology keeps the responsibility with the person who caused the harm. If I say, "I'm such a terrible parent," and now my child has to tell me, "No, you're not," I have handed my emotional work right back to them.
Not their job.
We also talk about what happens before the apology.
Sometimes you are not ready to apologize yet.
Jenn talks about needing a couple of days to work through her own frustration before she could honestly say she was sorry. That matters because we are not talking about teaching kids to perform the words "I'm sorry" whether they mean them or not.
We are talking about being honest.
Sometimes the honest answer may be, "I know that did not go well, and I'm still figuring out what happened for me."
That is still relationship.
And then we get into repair.
Families are not healthy because nobody ever yells, gets dysregulated, loses patience, or causes hurt. Conflict is part of being in relationship with other humans.
What matters is what happens afterward.
Can we own our part?
Can we reconnect?
Can we learn something about what we need so we have a better chance of handling it differently next time?
Jenn makes an important point here: an apology means more when there is some effort toward change. That does not mean we promise never to make the same mistake again. It means we take responsibility for understanding what happened and think about the support we may need to respond differently.
And yes, adults have more responsibility here.
That may feel wildly unfair some days.
It is.
But as I say in the episode, if we want the power that comes with being the parent, we also get the responsibility that comes with it.
Sometimes that responsibility is saying, "That wasn't my finest moment. I'm sorry. I'd like to do it differently next time."
And then letting the apology stand on its own.
Key TakeawaysJenn Glacel is an autistic licensed clinical social worker and registered play therapist supervisor whose private practice, Seven Corners Psychotherapy, is based in Falls Church, Virginia. She works with children, adults, parents, and families through a radically neurodiversity-affirming lens.
Jenn's work includes child-centered play therapy, family support, and education for parents and practitioners about neurodiversity-affirming care. Her approach focuses on helping people better understand and trust themselves while building relationships rooted in mutual trust, respect, and acceptance.
About Your Host, Gabriele NicoletI'm Gabriele Nicolet, toddler whisperer, speech therapist, parenting life coach, and host of Complicated Kids. Each week, I share practical, relationship-based strategies for raising kids with big feelings, big needs, and beautifully different brains. My goal is to help families move from surviving to thriving by building connection, confidence, and clarity at home.
Complicated Kids Resources and Links:🌎 www.gabrielenicolet.com
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Thank you for being here. 💛
My guest this week is Dr. Hana Khan, an airway-focused dentist and myofunctional therapist, and we are talking about breathing.
Which sounds straightforward. We all breathe. Moving on.
Except, as Hana explains, the way a child breathes can intersect with sleep, oral development, swallowing, orthodontics, and some of the things parents may be noticing during the day.
Hana came to this work through her own daughter. She was already a dentist when she attended a lecture on airway dentistry and started recognizing things she had been seeing in her child for years. That experience changed the direction of her work and eventually led her to start looking beyond the teeth at the muscles, jaws, nose, mouth, and airway as parts of the same system.
And there is A LOT here.
At one point I actually stop the conversation and say exactly that because airway is one of those topics where you start pulling one thread and suddenly you are talking about sleep, behavior, feeding, swallowing, hearing, teeth, and nervous system regulation.
One of the biggest pieces of our conversation is sleep.
Hana explains that when breathing is disrupted during sleep, the body may repeatedly come out of deeper, more restorative stages of sleep. A child may technically spend plenty of hours in bed and still wake up without feeling rested.
And what does an exhausted nervous system sometimes look like during the day?
Difficulty focusing. Trouble organizing. Big emotions. Restlessness. Irritability.
Those symptoms can have many causes, and Hana is very clear that she is not diagnosing or ruling out ADHD. Her point is that breathing and sleep are pieces worth evaluating when they are part of the picture.
We also talk about some of the things parents can notice at night: mouth breathing, snoring, very restless sleep, sleeping in unusual positions, night sweats, and other signs that may be worth bringing to a qualified provider.
Then we get into the mouth itself.
Hana explains how tongue position, swallowing patterns, oral muscles, jaw development, and breathing interact. This is where myofunctional therapy comes in. The goal is not simply to move teeth. It is to address the muscle patterns and function underneath what we are seeing.
That leads us into orthodontics, because of course it does.
Hana describes a different way of thinking about crowded teeth. Instead of asking only, "How do we make these teeth straight?" an airway-focused approach also asks what may be happening with the muscles, oral development, and breathing.
We also spend time talking about enlarged tonsils and adenoids and why Hana looks for the larger airway picture rather than assuming that one finding automatically tells us what treatment should look like.
And this is important: not every child has the same constellation of symptoms.
A kid can have an airway issue without checking every box we mention in this episode. And hearing one symptom does not mean you have found the explanation for everything going on with your child.
The point is not to diagnose your kid from a podcast.
The point is to know that breathing is another piece of the developmental picture that may be worth looking at.
Because when something about our child is not making sense, more information can help us ask better questions.
Key TakeawaysDr. Hana Khan is an airway-focused dentist and myofunctional therapist in Torrance, California. After beginning her career in general dentistry, her own family's experience led her into airway dentistry and a broader approach to oral development, breathing, and myofunctional health.
In her work, Dr. Khan looks beyond straight teeth to consider breathing, oral muscle function, sleep-related concerns, jaw development, and other symptoms that may be part of a larger airway picture. Her goal is to help families better understand the connections between oral development and overall function and find appropriate treatment for the individual child.
About Your Host, Gabriele NicoletI'm Gabriele Nicolet, toddler whisperer, speech therapist, parenting life coach, and host of Complicated Kids. Each week, I share practical, relationship-based strategies for raising kids with big feelings, big needs, and beautifully different brains. My goal is to help families move from surviving to thriving by building connection, confidence, and clarity at home.
Complicated Kids Resources and Links🌎 Website: www.gabrielenicolet.com
📅 Schedule a free intro call: https://calendly.com/gabrielenicolet/free-15-minute-1-1-session
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👾 Grab Tell the Story (anti-anxiety tool for kids): https://www.gabrielenicolet.com/tell-the-story
📝 Read my latest blog posts: https://www.gabrielenicolet.com/blog
🎤 Explore my upcoming live workshops: https://www.gabrielenicolet.com/live-workshops
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My guest this week is Elaine Taylor-Klaus, and we are talking about something I wish every parent had access to: basic coaching skills.
Elaine describes coaching as an empowerment-based, strength-based, collaborative way of communicating. Instead of always telling a child what we think they should do, coaching helps them become more aware of who they are, how they operate, what matters to them, and what they want to do next.
That does not mean parents stop teaching.
Elaine made a distinction during our conversation that gave me actual goosebumps: there is a difference between teaching someone and creating an environment that helps them learn.
Sometimes our kids need information from us. And sometimes we can ask a question that helps them discover something for themselves.
"What happens when you try it that way?"
"What do you notice?"
"What do you think might work?"
When the insight comes from the child, they have more ownership of it.
We use the classic school planner as an example. If the goal becomes "use the planner," we can spend an enormous amount of energy trying to get a kid to use a tool that may not work particularly well for their brain.
But the planner is not really the goal.
The goal is for the child to know what they need to do and when they need to do it.
Once we get clear on that, we can problem-solve together. Maybe the answer is a planner. Maybe it is something else entirely. The useful question becomes, "How will you know what you need to do?"
That shift from directing to collaborating requires something else from parents: a willingness to live with some uncertainty.
We start parenting with all kinds of ideas about who our child will be, what they will do, how they will develop, and what their future will look like. And then we actually get to know our child.
They have their own brain, their own timeline, their own strengths, and their own ideas about what they want.
Elaine talks about parenting as a gradual process of letting go of some of our vision so that we can make room for theirs.
That can be especially complicated when your child's path does not look like the paths of their same-age peers. You may feel completely settled about your child doing things differently, and then another milestone or comparison comes along and brings some of those feelings right back.
I describe it as spiraling forward. We are not starting over. We are meeting the same work from a different place.
We also talk about the stories parents tell ourselves.
My child should be doing this by now.
Other kids their age can do it.
I could do it when I was that age.
If they cannot do this now, what happens when they are 24?
Elaine shared the example of a parent who was upset that her 12-year-old kept leaving crumbs on the floor while watching television. Underneath that frustration was a fear that someday her daughter would not be able to keep an apartment clean.
I called it "fearing forward."
We take something happening today and turn it into a story about our child's entire future.
Coaching gives us another option. We can notice the story, ask whether it is helping us understand the child in front of us, and reframe it in a way that gives us somewhere useful to go next.
And finally, Elaine gives us one very practical assignment:
Put the stick down.
A lot of us learned to motivate ourselves with criticism. We beat ourselves up for what we should have done, what we forgot, where we fell short, and all the ways we believe we should be doing better.
Elaine invites parents to literally imagine putting that stick down.
Being kinder to ourselves does not mean ignoring the things that need our attention. It gives us more room to be calm, curious, and available to the child in front of us.
And honestly, that may be some of the most important parenting work we do.
Key TakeawaysElaine Taylor-Klaus, MCC, is a globally recognized thought leader at the intersection of neurodiversity, coaching, and parenting. A mother to an ADHD++ family of six, she co-founded ImpactADHD®, now ImpactParents.com, and developed a Neuro-Informed Coaching modality to help families and professionals navigate neurodiversity with greater confidence and compassion.
Elaine is a 2025 CHADD Hall of Fame recipient and an ICF DEIB Committee member. She hosts the Parenting with Impact podcast and is the author of Parenting ADHD Now!, The Essential Guide to Raising Complex Kids, and Sanity School®.
About Your Host, Gabriele NicoletI'm Gabriele Nicolet, toddler whisperer, speech therapist, parenting life coach, and host of Complicated Kids. Each week, I share practical, relationship-based strategies for raising kids with big feelings, big needs, and beautifully different brains. My goal is to help families move from surviving to thriving by building connection, confidence, and clarity at home.
Complicated Kids Resources and Links:🌎 www.gabrielenicolet.com 📅 Schedule a free intro call: https://calendly.com/gabrielenicolet/free-15-minute-1-1-session 📺 Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@complicatedkids/featured 👾 Grab Tell the Story (anti-anxiety tool for kids): https://www.gabrielenicolet.com/tell-the-story 📝 Read my latest blog posts: https://www.gabrielenicolet.com/blog 🎤 Explore my upcoming live workshops: https://www.gabrielenicolet.com/live-workshops 🎥 Explore my on-demand workshops: https://www.gabrielenicolet.com/workshop-replays ➡️ Instagram: http://instagram.com/gabriele_nicolet ➡️ Facebook: http://facebook.com/gabriele.nicolet ➡️ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabrielenicolet/ 🌺 Free "Orchid Kid" Checklist: https://www.raisingorchidkids.com/orchid-kid-check-list-sign-up/
Enjoying the show?If Complicated Kids has been helpful, the best way to support the podcast is to follow, rate, and leave a quick review. It helps other parents find the show—and it means a lot.
If there's a topic you'd love to hear covered on a future episode, you can always reach out at [email protected]. I love hearing what's on your mind and what would support your family.
Thank you for being here. 💛
Carrie Bonnett is back on Complicated Kids, and this time we are talking about executive function in the classroom.
Carrie is an executive function coach and veteran teacher, and she has a wonderfully simple definition of executive function: the brain skills that help us get important things done. That includes organization and time management, of course, but also planning, getting started, staying focused, regulating emotions, getting back on track after a distraction, finishing, and remembering where the finished thing is supposed to go.
In other words, "Go do your work" is asking a brain to do A LOT.
Carrie shares the story of a teacher who suddenly realized that a student sitting through independent work without starting might not be choosing not to work. Getting started is a skill. The student may understand the assignment and still be stuck on the first step, how to organize the page, how long the task will take, or any number of things we cannot see from across the classroom.
Carrie offers one of my favorite questions from this conversation: What if this is a skill thing and not a will thing?
That little shift creates room for curiosity. Maybe the student needs the task broken into a smaller chunk. Maybe they need help identifying the first step. Maybe there is a routine we assumed they knew but never actually taught.
And routines are a big part of this conversation. Carrie points out that brains like structure, consistency, and predictability. Teaching students how to begin independent work or what to do when they get stuck is not wasted classroom time. It is teaching the skills that make the rest of the work possible.
We also get into the language adults use around executive function. Instead of turning a struggle into an identity, Carrie encourages talking about brains: "My brain needs support with working memory," rather than "I'm terrible at this."
I LOVE this.
Kids need to understand how their brains work if we want them to choose useful strategies, advocate for themselves, and develop a healthy sense of who they are.
And yes, somehow laundry makes an appearance, because I currently have clean, folded laundry sitting in a basket on my bedroom floor and apparently that makes an excellent executive function teaching tool.
Adults have unfinished tasks too.
Maybe giving ourselves a little grace for that can help us bring more curiosity to the kids in front of us.
Key TakeawaysCarrie Bonnett is a veteran teacher, lifelong list-maker, and executive function coach based in Bend, Oregon. She works with students and families around the country using a practical, no-shame, brain-first approach that empowers students to thrive, helps parents and teachers better support them, and gives adults tools to stay on top of all that life requires.
In addition to coaching, Carrie creates digital resources, including her signature course Get the Brain on Board and a series of No-Shame Guides for Parents, and provides brain-based workshops and trainings for parents, teachers, and other professionals. She is also an adjunct instructor at the University of Portland, where she supports early-career teachers.
About Your Host, Gabriele NicoletI'm Gabriele Nicolet, toddler whisperer, speech therapist, parenting life coach, and host of Complicated Kids. Each week, I share practical, relationship-based strategies for raising kids with big feelings, big needs, and beautifully different brains. My goal is to help families move from surviving to thriving by building connection, confidence, and clarity at home.
Complicated Kids Resources and Links:🌎 www.gabrielenicolet.com 📅 Schedule a free intro call: https://calendly.com/gabrielenicolet/free-15-minute-1-1-session 📺 Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@complicatedkids/featured 👾 Grab Tell the Story (anti-anxiety tool for kids): https://www.gabrielenicolet.com/tell-the-story 📝 Read my latest blog posts: https://www.gabrielenicolet.com/blog 🎤 Explore my upcoming live workshops: https://www.gabrielenicolet.com/live-workshops 🎥 Explore my on-demand workshops: https://www.gabrielenicolet.com/workshop-replays ➡️ Instagram: http://instagram.com/gabriele_nicolet ➡️ Facebook: http://facebook.com/gabriele.nicolet ➡️ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabrielenicolet/ 🌺 Free "Orchid Kid" Checklist: https://www.raisingorchidkids.com/orchid-kid-check-list-sign-up/
Enjoying the show?If Complicated Kids has been helpful, the best way to support the podcast is to follow, rate, and leave a quick review. It helps other parents find the show—and it means a lot.
If there's a topic you'd love to hear covered on a future episode, you can always reach out at [email protected]. I love hearing what's on your mind and what would support your family.
Thank you for being here. 💛
Dr. Lauren Siegel joins me to talk about SPACE, which stands for Supportive Parenting for Anxious Childhood Emotions. It is a little different from many treatments for childhood anxiety because although the child is still the focus, the parents are the ones going to therapy and making changes. Rather than beginning with "What skills does my child need?" SPACE asks parents to look at how anxiety is functioning within the family and what they may be able to approach differently.
One of the big ideas in SPACE is accommodation, and we need to be very clear about what that means because this is not the same thing as the accommodations a child may appropriately receive at school. In this context, we are talking about the ways family members can unintentionally organize themselves around a child's anxiety. Maybe the family stops going to certain places. Maybe a parent spends hours helping a child fall asleep or accompanies them every time they go to another room.
And there is zero shame in how we got there.
If your child is distressed, of course you want to help. Lauren points out that parents are biologically wired to respond to their children's distress. That is how we keep babies alive. The question as kids grow becomes whether a particular kind of help is still supporting them or whether it may be reinforcing the idea that they cannot handle the situation without us.
That is where SPACE gets interesting. Reducing an accommodation does not mean withdrawing support or throwing a child into the deep end. Lauren takes a gradual, individualized approach that starts with what the parent and child can realistically handle. Maybe bedtime is not the place to start because that time still feels connected and lovely for the family. Maybe there is another part of the day that is creating much more frustration and feels more workable. There is no universal rule about what a six-year-old "should" be able to do.
We also talk about something that is hard for pretty much every parent: seeing your child upset and not immediately making the upset disappear. Some distress is part of learning that we can do hard things and come out the other side okay. But that does not mean all distress is automatically productive. A child who is overwhelmed by a sensory or nervous system issue may need something very different. The work is figuring out the difference and finding the just right challenge for that child.
Parent regulation matters here too. If one parent is particularly activated by a situation and another has more bandwidth, maybe they tap in. SPACE creates room for parents to look at their own fears, reactions, and pressure points before changing anything with the child. Because the goal is not to white-knuckle your way through a plan while everybody's nervous system is on fire.
What I like about this approach is the message underneath it. Sometimes changing how we respond to anxiety tells a child, "I see that this is hard, and I also believe you can get through it."
That is very different from pretending the anxiety is not real.
It is support with confidence built into it.
Key TakeawaysDr. Lauren Siegel is a licensed clinical psychologist and co-founder and Chief Operating Officer of Kingsbury Wellness & Learning Group. She has more than 15 years of experience providing psychotherapy and comprehensive neuropsychological evaluations to children and adults and is passionate about helping families navigate learning and emotional challenges while expanding access to high-quality psychological care.
Dr. Siegel has worked in school settings and has extensive experience helping families and clinicians understand the special education process. Her clinical interests include supporting girls and women on the autism spectrum, middle schoolers developing their identities, children with ADHD, and parents of anxious children using the SPACE model. She earned her undergraduate degree from the University of Virginia and her doctorate in clinical psychology from George Washington University.
About Your Host, Gabriele NicoletI'm Gabriele Nicolet, toddler whisperer, speech therapist, parenting life coach, and host of Complicated Kids. Each week, I share practical, relationship-based strategies for raising kids with big feelings, big needs, and beautifully different brains. My goal is to help families move from surviving to thriving by building connection, confidence, and clarity at home.
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Jorie Das is the Executive Director of Friends of the Children Los Angeles, an organization doing something that immediately got my attention: pairing children who have experienced significant adversity with paid, professional mentors who make a 12-plus-year commitment to them. These are not volunteers dropping in for a semester or a program that disappears when the funding cycle ends. Friends spend intentional time with kids at school, at home, and in the community while helping them navigate goals, transitions, new experiences, and the very ordinary business of growing up.
As Jorie says, childhood is not a program cycle. A kid can be doing beautifully at eight and struggling enormously at thirteen. Schools change. Families change. Adolescence happens. The commitment is designed to stay in place through those changes because the child does not have to reach a milestone or behave a particular way to earn the relationship.
That becomes especially important when we talk about trauma. Jorie explains that we cannot expect a child who has experienced instability in relationships to immediately trust a new adult just because that adult has excellent intentions. Kids may pull away, shut down, or test whether this person is really staying. The mentor gets to respond through their actions: "You don't have to earn my consistency. I'm still here." Over time, that relationship can create new experiences of safety, predictability, and repair. Mentorship is not a replacement for therapy when a child needs clinical care, but a safe and consistent adult can absolutely be part of the healing environment.
What I also love about the Friends model is that the child is not treated as though they exist in a vacuum. The organization supports caregivers, works with schools, connects families with community resources, and supports the mentors themselves. Because if we are asking adults to show up consistently for kids carrying a lot, those adults need people showing up for them too.
We also talk about neurodivergence and educational advocacy. Jorie shares that a large percentage of the young people served by Friends LA have IEPs, which has pushed the organization to build more training around ADHD, autism, IEPs, and helping caregivers communicate with schools. Sometimes the parent knows something is not working but does not know the language, the process, or even who they are supposed to talk to. Having someone who knows the child and can help bridge that gap can change the entire conversation.
And underneath all of this is something very simple and very human: kids need people who do not give up on them. Not because the relationship will always be easy. In fact, sometimes the most important moment may be after the really hard day, when the adult can say, "I'll see you Tuesday."
For a child who has learned that people or support can disappear, knowing somebody is coming back can be a very big deal.
Key TakeawaysJorie Das is the Executive Director of Friends of the Children Los Angeles, where she leads an evidence-based professional mentoring program serving children and families impacted by the child welfare system. With more than a decade of experience in nonprofit management, youth programming, and advocacy in Greater Los Angeles, Jorie is deeply committed to positive youth development, trauma-informed care, and the transformative power of long-term relationships. Her own experience in foster care also brings an important lived perspective to her work.
Under Jorie's leadership, Friends LA has expanded its reach across Los Angeles County, growing the number of youth and families served and developing additional programming to support young people as they move toward adulthood. She previously served as Interim Executive Director at InsideOUT Writers and held executive roles at Baby2Baby and Free Arts. Jorie holds a BA in Ethnic Studies and Art from the University of Oregon and an MA in International Affairs and Business from Chapman University.
About Your Host, Gabriele NicoletI'm Gabriele Nicolet, toddler whisperer, speech therapist, parenting life coach, and host of Complicated Kids. Each week, I share practical, relationship-based strategies for raising kids with big feelings, big needs, and beautifully different brains. My goal is to help families move from surviving to thriving by building connection, confidence, and clarity at home.
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Jenn Glacel is back on the podcast, and this time we are talking about what she calls radical acceptance of children's inner knowing or wisdom.
Before anybody starts rolling their eyes, this is not an argument that a four-year-old has all the information necessary to run the household. Jenn makes an important distinction between knowing something about your own experience and having the language, context, or skills to explain it. Kids may know what they are feeling or what they need without being able to communicate it in a particularly useful way.
We also talk about the difference between autonomy and independence. We tend to treat autonomy as something children earn once they can be independent in the ways adults expect. But needing help does not mean a person should lose their say over their own body, preferences, or experiences.
The humble winter coat becomes our case study. If your child says, "I'm not cold," and you repeatedly respond, "Yes, you are," what are they learning? Maybe they are learning about coats. But they may also be learning that their own bodily experience is less trustworthy than an adult's interpretation of it.
This does not mean we let a kid wander into ten-below weather in shorts because autonomy. Context matters. Sometimes the adult has information the child simply does not have yet, and safety requires us to step in. But at 45 degrees, maybe we bring the coat and let the kid gather some data. A lot of learning can happen without a lecture.
That trust becomes especially important when we ask children to try something new. Jenn makes a point I love: when a child knows that their "no" will actually be honored, a push can feel safe. They can try the roller coaster, the new activity, or the unfamiliar experience because they know that if they change their mind, the adult will listen. If we say, "You can stop anytime," and then immediately argue when they want to stop, we have changed the deal.
We also talk about shifting from judgment to curiosity. Jenn's starting assumption is that if a child can do something, they will. If it is not happening, instead of jumping immediately to lazy, defiant, disrespectful, or "they just don't want to," we can ask what is getting in the way.
As I say in the episode, you can be right and indignant, or you can be curious and in relationship.
And yes, sometimes what we discover is that the dishes are not going to get done on our preferred timeline and, tragically, we may have to wash them ourselves.
That same idea of mutual respect comes up in the tiny daily interactions too. If we want children who say please and thank you, are we saying please and thank you to them? If we want respect, are we treating them as people worthy of respect? Kids are watching what we do much more closely than they are memorizing the lecture.
None of this requires children to communicate their needs beautifully. Dysregulated kids can express themselves in some truly spectacularly unappealing ways.
Our job is not to assume that a badly delivered need is not a real need. Our job is to become detectives, slow things down, and figure out what the child may not yet be able to tell us clearly.
Because helping kids trust themselves starts with showing them that we are willing to listen.
Key TakeawaysJenn Glacel is an autistic licensed clinical social worker and psychotherapist with a private practice in Falls Church, Virginia. Through Seven Corners Psychotherapy, she works with children, adults, parents, and families through a radically neurodiversity-affirming lens.
Her work includes child-centered play therapy, family support, and education for parents and practitioners about what neurodiversity-affirming care looks like in practice. Jenn's approach focuses on helping people better understand and trust themselves while building relationships rooted in mutual trust, respect, and acceptance.
About Your Host, Gabriele NicoletI'm Gabriele Nicolet, toddler whisperer, speech therapist, parenting life coach, and host of Complicated Kids. Each week, I share practical, relationship-based strategies for raising kids with big feelings, big needs, and beautifully different brains. My goal is to help families move from surviving to thriving by building connection, confidence, and clarity at home.
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There is always something more urgent. A school issue. An appointment. A meltdown. A sibling who also needs something. A decision that has to be made. Caron Starobin's argument in this episode is that the relationship between the adults is not separate from all of that. It is part of how the family gets through it.
Caron is a clinical social worker and couples therapist who works extensively with neurodivergent people and their families. She explains that raising complicated kids can take enormous amounts of time, energy, money, and emotional resources. When the relationship between the adults is also full of tension and conflict, that becomes another source of depletion. When there is enough security and connection between the adults, the family has one less complicated thing to navigate.
And no, we are not talking about a perfectly harmonious partnership where nobody ever gets annoyed.
We are talking about being connected well enough to navigate the storms together.
One of the biggest traps Caron sees is the very familiar idea that, "If my partner would just do this differently, then I could feel better." The problem is that our regulation cannot depend on somebody else regulating first. Your partner may absolutely be doing something that activates you, but you still have to figure out how to come back to yourself.
That also changes how we define whether regulation "worked." If you got calmer and your partner did not, that does not mean you failed. You regulated yourself. You stayed in your seat. You kept two dysregulated people from escalating together. That counts.
Caron also talks about what happens when old relationship patterns get activated. The ways we learned to protect ourselves in our original families can show up again with our partners. Maybe you shut down. Maybe you get loud. Maybe you leave. Maybe you start trying desperately to make everybody happy. Those responses may have been useful once, but they may not work particularly well in the relationship you are in now.
Sometimes, as Caron puts it, it is basically two adaptive teenagers trying to run the adult relationship.
We also bring this back to the kids, particularly teens and young adults. Parents often arrive saying their child is disrespectful, unmotivated, angry, or refusing to listen. Underneath the frustration and worry, what they usually want is connection. They want trust. They want communication. They want to know that they can still reach their kid as the stakes get higher and their direct control gets smaller.
Caron makes an important distinction here too: taking your child seriously and building connection does not mean abandoning boundaries. In fact, the trust you build when children are younger gives you a much stronger foundation for navigating the harder conversations that come later.
Raising complicated kids is a long game.
And the relationship between the adults does not have to be perfect. But it does deserve to be part of the plan.
Key TakeawaysCaron Starobin, LCSW-C, is a clinical social worker, couples therapist, and owner and clinical director of Starobin Counseling, a private practice based in Olney, Maryland. For more than 25 years, she has worked with individuals, couples, and families, with a particular focus on relationships, neurodivergent people, and families navigating autism and other complex needs.
Caron's work is relational and neurodiversity-minded, with extensive experience in couples and family therapy and Relational Life Therapy. Through Starobin Counseling, she and her team also offer groups including Parents Together, which provides support and connection for parents raising autistic children, teens, and young adults. Her approach helps families strengthen communication, understand one another more deeply, and build relationships with greater connection and ease.
About Your Host, Gabriele NicoletI'm Gabriele Nicolet, toddler whisperer, speech therapist, parenting life coach, and host of Complicated Kids. Each week, I share practical, relationship-based strategies for raising kids with big feelings, big needs, and beautifully different brains. My goal is to help families move from surviving to thriving by building connection, confidence, and clarity at home.
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There is no shortage of parenting information out there. Books, podcasts, influencers, experts, schools, research, and your neighbor's cousin all have thoughts about what you should be doing with your child.
And sometimes all that information makes parenting harder.
In this episode, I talk with fellow parent coach Allyn Miller about something underneath all those strategies: self-trust. Allyn's premise is simple and also slightly inconvenient. We cannot ask our children to trust us if we do not trust ourselves.
That does not mean ignoring good information, deciding experts know nothing, or confidently making every parenting decision while birds sing around you.
It means getting clearer about what actually matters to you, your child, and your family.
Allyn suggests paying particular attention to the word "should." When you hear yourself thinking, "My child should be doing this," or, "I should be parenting this way," ask: Who says?
Sometimes there is a perfectly good answer. School has requirements. Families live inside communities and systems. There may be real consequences to stepping outside a particular norm. But sometimes we discover that the mysterious "they" telling us what we should do does not actually exist.
We also talk about what this looks like when you have to advocate for your child. It is one thing to know what your kid needs at home. It is another thing entirely to walk into a school meeting, talk to someone you perceive as an authority, and say, "This is not working."
Allyn encourages parents to get curious about what they are bringing into those conversations. Your own experiences with school, authority, failure, approval, and conflict are coming into the room with you, whether you invited them or not.
Which brings us to the voices in our heads.
Allyn makes a distinction I love: there is a difference between an internal voice and an external action.
You can see five granola bar wrappers sitting next to your kid and have a very judgmental thought. The thought happened. Fine. Your brain is allowed to be dramatic.
But there is still a space between that thought and what comes out of your mouth.
That tiny bit of space is where we get to choose.
And if "just pause" feels completely impossible when your brain is moving like a freight train, Allyn has a wonderfully concrete suggestion: move your body. Literally walk in a circle. Change your physical position, come back to your adult self, and see whether you can return to the interaction differently.
We also talk about how our own younger parts show up in parenting. Sometimes there are not just two people in the interaction. There is you, your child, and the seven-year-old version of you who just got activated and would also like someone to meet her needs immediately, thank you very much.
None of this is about becoming a perfectly regulated parent who never has an ugly thought.
It is about noticing what is happening, reconnecting with what matters, and giving yourself a little more choice about what happens next.
Because trusting yourself does not mean always knowing the answer.
It means knowing you can come back to yourself and figure out your next move.
Key TakeawaysAllyn Miller is a former teacher, parent coach, and founder of Child Connection. She helps parents build healthier, more connected relationships with their children by focusing on the everyday interactions that shape trust, communication, and family dynamics.
Her work helps parents move away from rigid parenting "shoulds" and toward a more intentional approach grounded in self-trust, connection, and clarity about what matters most to their family. Allyn is especially passionate about protecting children's dignity, helping parents break unhelpful patterns, and creating relationships that support both the child and the parent.
About Your Host, Gabriele NicoletI'm Gabriele Nicolet, toddler whisperer, speech therapist, parenting life coach, and host of Complicated Kids. Each week, I share practical, relationship-based strategies for raising kids with big feelings, big needs, and beautifully different brains. My goal is to help families move from surviving to thriving by building connection, confidence, and clarity at home.
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