In this episode, Johan and his guest explore the multifaceted world of bating, discussing personal journeys, the dynamics of long-distance relationships, and the differences between in-person and online experiences.

They delve into the intricacies of edging, orgasm control, and the concept of ruined orgasms, while also highlighting the importance of educational spaces within the community.

The discussion takes a significant turn as they address the experiences of people of color in predominantly white spaces, emphasizing the need for inclusivity and understanding.