Counseling Talk — A podcast by 9Marks

Anxiety is the spiritual x-ray that God uses to reveal who or what you worship.
In this episode of Counseling Talk, Deepak Reju, Hayley Satrom, and Garrett Kell start the first of three episodes on anxiety.

Related resources

1. John Henderson on anxiety at DRBC
2. Ed Welch's Running Scared and When I'm Afraid

Related resources:

• https://www.heartsongcounseling.org/
• C4 announcement
  • C4 is a group of like-minded Christian counseling centers across the country that are joining together to foster a spirit of mutual edification and encouragement among its members by providing opportunities for care, consultation, content collaboration, and continuing education. If you’re interested in learning more about C4, visit our website.

In this episode of Counseling Talk, Deepak, Hayley, and Garrett interview Esther Liu about shame and how pastors and counselors can view shame in the light of Scripture and the gospel.

Related Resources

1. Shame Interrupted: How God Lifts the Pain of Worthlessness and Rejection by Ed Welch
2. Shame: Being Known and Loved by Esther Liu

Reconciliation after confessing a struggle of pornography can be difficult. In this episode of Counseling Talk, Deepak Reju, Hayley Satrom, and Garrett Kell finish up a series on pornography as they lay out principles for godly reconciliation.

Resources for Show 3 - Dating and Marriage 

• Rescue Plan and Rescue Skills by Jonathan Holmes and Deepak Reju
• Redeem Your Marriage: Hope for Husbands Who Have Hurt Through Pornography  by Curtis Solomon
• Reclaim Your Marriage: Grace for Wives Who Have been Hurt by Pornography by Jenny Solomon

What you retreat to for refreshment turns into love. For some Christians, that's pornography. In this episode of Counseling Talk, Deepak Reju, Hayley Satrom, and Garrett Kell share some of the practical tools that can be useful in helping someone fight this difficult battle.

Resources resources

1. 31-Day Devotional on Porn by Deepak Reju
2. Hide & Seek by John Freeman
3. Rescue Skills: Essential Skills for Restoring the Sexually Broken by Jonathan Holmes and Deepak Reju

In this episode of Counseling Talk, Deepak Reju, Hayley Satrom, and Garrett Kell start a mini-series on pornography and how pastors and members can help one another fight the battle.

Resources for Show 1 - Porn Overview 
David Powlison’s book: Making All Things New: Restoring the Joy to the Sexually Broken
David Powlison’s article: Sexual Sin - The Wider and the Deeper Battle 
Garrett’s book Pure in Heart 


Strategies for Closing Off Access Points
Here are some practical steps to consider as you help an addict to get rid of his access points.   1.  Ask the struggler about every e-device he owns.   
2.  Encourage him or her to get a software monitoring program, such as Covenant Eyes, and put it on all his devices.   
3.  Get rid of standard web browsers and rely on a browser that is carefully monitored.   
4.  Get rid of the applications store. If a new app needs to be downloaded onto a tablet or phone, provide access only temporarily.   
5.  Use special restrictions to cut out the web browser and app store, set time limits, and so on. Make sure the restrictions code is known only to an accountability partner. If the struggler knows it, he or she will remove the restrictions in a moment of weakness and act out.   
6.  Get rid of all apps that have an embedded browser.

What’s the principle behind these six points?
We’re removing control from the believer who struggles with porn and giving it to others because he or she can’t steward the freedom of open access.

Seeing your children to come to faith should be every parent's desire. But what happens when they don't? In this episode of Counseling Talk, Deepak Reju, Hayley Satrom, and Garrett Kell interview Stuart Scott about his new book, Wayward Children: Finding Peace, Keeping Hope.

Related resources:
Wayward Children: Finding Peace, Keeping Hope

Christians expect strict confidentiality when speaking of their own sins. But is that good for them?

In this episode of Counseling Talk, Deepak Reju, Hayley Satrom, and Garrett Kell discuss how to shepherd secrets for gospel purposes.


Related resources:

• Discipling by Mark Dever
• Is It Loving to Practice Church Discipline? Jonathan Leeman
• Church Membership by Jonathan Leeman
• You’re a Pastor, Not a Therapist by Jeremy Pierre

When members of the church suffer it provides a unique opportunity to show tangible love.
In this episode of Counseling Talk, Garrett Kell shares with Deepak Reju and Hayley Satrom practical ways of how God’s people loved his family during their season of suffering.


Related Resources: 

• The Kell Story Part 1
• CaringBridge for Eden Kell
• A Do-It-Yourself Marriage Retreat by Deepak Reju
• Heart Song Counseling
• The Center for Biblical Living
• Fieldstone Counseling
• Cross Care Counseling
• Anchored Hope

Pastors are not excluded from suffering. When trials come they uniquely become in need of their own pastoral care.

In this episode of Counseling Talk, pastor Garrett Kell shares about trusting God amidst a season of his family’s suffering.

Related Resources: CaringBridge for Eden Kell