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In today’s update: New York experience with fluid restriction in COVID ARDS, prone positioning for non-intubated hypoxic patients, resetting the intubation threshold, and using ABGs. Your questions for Reuben Strayer and Patrick Reinfried. For all the previous COVID podcasts plus a bunch of other super useful stuff, here is our depository of resources.
The below is not an evidence based approach, it is experience based and “here’s what we’re doing and it seems to work.” It is by no means the only way to go about this and there are certainly other shops proceeding differently with COVID-19 patients.
New York Experience
Steven Johnson, DO and Dana Gottlieb, MD surveyed their hospital's docs for lessons they’re learning. Below are some of the recommendations. A full write up can be found at the EM Pulse Blog.
Ease up on the fluids
It's interesting how the pendulum swings with IV fluid. Over the past few years, there has been a call to action to be more judicious with our fluid administration, especially in septic patients rather than reflexively jumping in ‘whole hog’ with 30 cc's per kilo (or even more). Much of this is going to fly in the face of policies or benchmarks so it’s something to discuss among your group to see how you want to approach it.
Adding further support to COVID ARDS fluid resuscitation, Josh Farkas has this to say in his online Critical Care Textbook. (direct quote below)
Oxygenation and Prone Position
Mechanical ventilation can go on a long time and intubated patients have not been doing well. Whether that’s a cause (mechanical ventilation has harmful effects), an association (if you’re sick enough to get intubated, mortality is already high), or both remains to be seen.
Prone positioning in the awake patient was described by Sun et al two weeks ago as part of their critical care package (prone positioning, fluid restriction, and high flow nasal cannula/NIV).
Resetting the intubation threshold
In the ED we have a pretty standard mental framework when it comes to making the decision to intubate, but much of what we’ve seen so far is contrary to usual practice and, taking this further, the New York docs recommend this:
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In today’s update: New York experience with fluid restriction in COVID ARDS, prone positioning for non-intubated hypoxic patients, resetting the intubation threshold, and using ABGs. Your questions for Reuben Strayer and Patrick Reinfried. For all the previous COVID podcasts plus a bunch of other super useful stuff, here is our depository of resources.
The below is not an evidence based approach, it is experience based and “here’s what we’re doing and it seems to work.” It is by no means the only way to go about this and there are certainly other shops proceeding differently with COVID-19 patients.
New York Experience
Steven Johnson, DO and Dana Gottlieb, MD surveyed their hospital's docs for lessons they’re learning. Below are some of the recommendations. A full write up can be found at the EM Pulse Blog.
Ease up on the fluids
It's interesting how the pendulum swings with IV fluid. Over the past few years, there has been a call to action to be more judicious with our fluid administration, especially in septic patients rather than reflexively jumping in ‘whole hog’ with 30 cc's per kilo (or even more). Much of this is going to fly in the face of policies or benchmarks so it’s something to discuss among your group to see how you want to approach it.
Adding further support to COVID ARDS fluid resuscitation, Josh Farkas has this to say in his online Critical Care Textbook. (direct quote below)
Oxygenation and Prone Position
Mechanical ventilation can go on a long time and intubated patients have not been doing well. Whether that’s a cause (mechanical ventilation has harmful effects), an association (if you’re sick enough to get intubated, mortality is already high), or both remains to be seen.
Prone positioning in the awake patient was described by Sun et al two weeks ago as part of their critical care package (prone positioning, fluid restriction, and high flow nasal cannula/NIV).
Resetting the intubation threshold
In the ED we have a pretty standard mental framework when it comes to making the decision to intubate, but much of what we’ve seen so far is contrary to usual practice and, taking this further, the New York docs recommend this:
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