After Jonathan and Jeremy dissect the housing headlines (spoiler alert: the NAR settlement may not actually bring down costs for buyers and sellers) they vent about the glacial pace at which much-needed reform is happening. "'Work harder and wait longer,' that's the message the housing industrial complex is sending," says Jeremy. Jonathan, himself a veteran of Fannie Mae, says many of the pilot projects the GSEs lead "feel like a way of just kicking the can." So, what would a "Lawless" pilot look like? "If somebody has paid their rent on time for the last 24 months and their mortgage payment is within 10% of that, give them a f***ing mortgage and let's see how it goes."

Chrissi Johnson, the Founder and CEO of Alinement Initiative (a nonprofit housing accelerator) and VP of External Affairs at Prosperity Now, joins the discussion to talk about her work to convene multiple stakeholders to crack the housing industrial complex.

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