Curious Creatures

Breaking Silence.
This is Rachel’s first interview in three years - we are honoured. 

Serendipity.
Rachel saw Lol Kissing on tour - or did Rachel see Lol on the Kissing tour? 
Slowdive’s future drummer Simon was two rows behind Rachel
Though they didn’t meet for another 1000 days.

Splendiferous.
Kabuki intro made the crowd go mental 
Spinal Tap moment Pornography playing 100 years without a crash helmet
Rachel’s revolving Toronto stage. 
Every bad haircut and stupid interview on the Web forever. 

Seditionaries.
Rachel didn’t see a female tech until the late 90’s 
Christian would wear a dress if it got him in the band 
The Cure’s Pearl had interesting outfits 
More female techs in music today - yay!

Subversives.
Budgie honorary female with The Slits 
Lol didn’t leave his hotel for three days in NYC!
Lol and Budgie say Exeter for the book tour.

Salvationists.
Still Talking after All These Years
Budgie and Viv Albertine - as if for the first time 
Budgie? All will be revealed in the next episode of ‘Frankie Goes to Hollywood’ 
Lol? Micky D and his mum say, Laurence! 
In Japan, it’s Mr Bud Gee San

Sentinels.
At 12, Rachel loved Joni Mitchell and Grace jones, at 14, Siouxsie 
Lol and Budgie dig the Joni Mitchell bio 
Lol has Sylvia Plath’s ‘Bell Jar’ in many versions.
Rachel will seek out Bridget Riley.

Inspirational Siren: Nico (October 16, 1938 – July 18, 1988)

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Bits and Bobs 
Rachel’s in Devon where Lol once lived too
My flower or Mayflower? It’s a right how-do-you-do!
‘Where you to?’ is ‘What’s up!’ - like a cream tea served
The Pilgrims’ Olde English in Aspic preserved

Bobs and Books 
Log cabin moves and Festival grooves 
It was Great to be out of the Books
From Solitary to Socialising
Playing Gigs and Fraternising 
After 3 years preparing the Hooks

Books and Blackheads
Secret Messages from the studio - Bye-bye blackheads hello Budgie! 
The Banshees and The Cure got groovy with the spiral code
Horses names and Eat The Blotter – Miles Hunt wanted to be a Trucker
It’s the wrong end of the Stickshift for the Romance of The Road

Barcelona and Berlin
From Gateshead to Brazil Budgie walks in all dry places 
Lol rarely left his room now he loves, and he embraces 
Rachel’s Grateful for it all so far from sketchy pasts 
The 90s were a haze, now everything’s ablaze 

Budgies and Banjos
Rachel got her first guitar at 7 years old 
with her head between the speakers, she would sing, 
‘I’m the only Goth in Reading’ and the band names she was spreading
changed from Slowburn into Slowdive - well it had a better ring.

Bob and Beats
A video in the Warehouse 
of a Slowdive in The Dreamhouse
Budgie’s drum fill makes Bob’s Day.
Siouxsie’s portrait très Risqué. 

Respect: Angelo Badalamenti - ‘Floating Into The Night’ (March 22 1937 - December 11 2022)

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The Isms Cometh! 
Budgie and The iconic Slits - Holly Johnson as a bad-ass-bass-player! 
8th notes on the floortom - how LOW can you GO?)
Don’t lose it - let your individuality flow. 
Simone cites Motown’s James Lee Emerson, Blockheads’ Norman Watt Roy
And our old pal Simon Gallup as bass mentors.

Plays like Poetry!
Lol says Budgie is drums, Budgie says Lol is Drums, 
Lol says Bidgie is drims, Badgie sees Lil is Drams!

Poetry like Pottery!
Budgie in London’s China Town for Choco glasses and salad bowls.
You don’t have to be, crazy but it helps if you are.
Lol had the loudest Chinese cymbal ever, from Ray Man’s of London
Budgie had the 2nd loudest and Singing Bowls, also from Ray Man’s of London!
Jimmy Page told Pearl you’re too loud (He should know!) 

Potty like Putty!
Lol hears Simon perfectly for the first time on Reflections!
Gary Numan and subtitles on TV?
Tommy Lee and Lol friends from yesteryear.
Bro rate for LXB and a Shit load of drums 
Simone sat Monsieur le Birdie? 

Tommy Lee’s Gong! 
What is it about Tommy’s gong? - (We still love Mike Oldfield’s Tubular Bell) 
Budgie drums and has all the accents too - (They’re Regional accents - Voice over Vocation calling)
Baby Jane’s in Acapulco - Simone’s going down to Rio! - (well Mexico… not far)
Simone says, if not for music it would be art – (Loves sound as healer and sign language) 
Lol digs Therapy in the Integratron. Budgie digs The Neon Graveyard in Vegas!
Trippy and Psychedelic Newcastle and it’s neon bridge! 
The Fog on the Tyne is all mine all mine – (so good we said it twice)
Didn’t we have a lovely time in the white hills - white hills, what white hills?

What about Daevid Allen’s Gong?

With Respect: James Lee Emerson - Motown’s Bass Master. (29 January 1936 – 2 August 1983)

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The Sand. 
Out there, post-lockdown Screamadelica tour 
Tokyo, Japan and everywhere more 
Traditional politeness for the visiting Brits
First gigs post-pandemic, please play all the hits!  

Lol liked the silence and the gifts from Japan
But he drank all the bath salts, which wasn’t the plan
Simone received sweetness to comb through her hair 
Budgie got Pocari Sweat at the Manga Street fair 

Cherry blossom season caused a big sake thirst,
Who threw the phone through the window first?
Robert and Siouxsie were almost deported 
No return for ten years - though ‘twas never reported.

The Oyster.
Budgie and Simone at the breakfast bar 
calling Lol from Europe – to say, “Hello La!”
On the bus with the crew, what’s the golden rule?
Traveller’s ‘Toilette’, does not accept ‘Le Stool!’ 

Simone auditioned for Primal Scream 
She learnt all the songs and realised a dream 
No more living on chips and travelin’ in a van 
Bobby treats the band well, he’s a Gentleman

Siouxsie’s manager Nils asked Budgie to audition
Ex-Slits Budgie did a good Palmolive impression. 
Success celebrated with a ‘Roll-up’ and a beer, 
Lol and Simone had young Ant, Adam’s ear! 

The Pearl. 
Simone in a film about the homeless that sears. 
Their lonely lives lightened by the unconditional love,
of a dog they can talk to when no-one else hears
It’s a story that moves with a powerful shove.

Scary ghost stories and thunder and lightning,  
A bus shows Budgie that his mother’s around.
Simone’s grandpa’s goodbye is a story quite frightening,
Lol says Budgie knows things about Lol that astound! 

For Lol the first 4 Cure albums are significantly spiritual 
Though that’s not to say others misunderstood 
It’s the sand in the oyster that makes the pearl beautiful
It’s not Hunky Dory - but the friction is good! 

‘I don’t want a cure for this.’ ‘Love Hangover’ - Diana Ross (1976) 

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Lol and Budgie Join Hands in 1979
40 Years Beyond Music = The Mystique of Creating Culture 
Two Drummers Drumming = Our Mutual Bond
A Gang of Starving Artists = Salt Scrub Therapy? 
Books and Records = Earth and Identity

Art and Money - Bad in Bed? 
Music as Religion and Revolution 
Budgie meets Francis Bacon in Harrods & Lucien Freud in NY?
Another Green World just two beats away.
Jen has a Sylvia Plath Pen and Ink
(And we don’t mean a Cockney Stink)

What If?
Jimi Hendrix outlived Club 27 
The Grave of Jim Morrison had no Graffiti
Sartre and Simone de Beauvoir never met  
WW2 never happened and The Berlin wall never existed 

Why We Need.
Brass plaques for Berlin’s Murdered Jews 
Thoughts of Our Fathers and how Europe changed.
The Ability to Create from Nothing
Kathryn Mannix and a Preparation for Dying.

Is It Ever Enough? 
Budgie tried to leave music - but music wouldn’t let go! 
30 years of Reinventing Ourselves 
The Cult of Lol, The Cult of Lol, The Cult of Lol (‘tis a mighty fine thang thrice!)
We knew Jen would make a Groovy Episode!

In love with - ‘I’m Sticking with You’ – The Velvet Underground - 1969

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Jen Loves Us! 
We are Nerds, Podcast virgins, we are old dogs for new
we have Budgie as Yenta - we have Lol in his pew
we have weddings in the desert - at the Church of Whatever,
Budgie Tambourines for Jesus – it’s a Hooker’s Endeavour.

Rock Star Cult! 
Like a Hawk holding Rings from Monday ‘til Sunday 
Every night is a Saturday when you’re in a band 
On a two-year tour – Jen’s teen love was the Cure 
It’s a Dark Gothic Berlin and a Devious Hollywood land

I’m a Celebrity, Get me Out of Here! 
The Cult of Fandom and Marc Bolan Glamdom
Is there mystery in Bowie’s bolero? 
Budgie’s hot chocolate and Lol’s discombobulate 
Are there Artichokes in Old Pescadero?

The Price of Fame!
It’s all so much bigger than two of us knew
Will Santa Cruz welcome us soon?
To circle the square - Jen leaves for elsewhere
The keys to the city or a trip to the Moon?

Budgie in Berlin, Lol in LA
We wanted to leave, and a band was the ticket 
Home can be anywhere when we’re ok and sane.
Our Past is elusive like that strange game of cricket
Jack Frost freezes time on our mind’s windowpane

Dedicated to the memory of Marc Bolan (30 September 1947 – 16 September 1977) “Get it On – Bang a Gong – Get it On”

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(Hello, Virgin Records?)
Every mile away from London
Is a mile away from where he needed to be.
Subsequent Chronological Milestones:  
PIL (The Good Years) 79 - 85 / Killing Joke - Extremities / Ministry - In A Cage - 12 Weeks of insanity
Pig Face – 600 degrees of separation - Budgie has the baseball cap!  
NIN’S Head like a Hole and Wish / Murder Inc and still out there!  

Street lives…. (Rail ‘em in and Regiment)
Setlists? Who uses a set-list?
PIL had a looseness that belied their commitment
New York Gig discussion – what do we start with?
3000 people Martin onstage and John and Keith have left the building
Keith Levine wanted only green lighting – John Lydon wanted to be back in the hotel.  

Strippers and Homework in the Dressing room
No rehearsals - like an old-style jazz band
How we gonna end? - Smoke signals!  
Serving time in North of England Labour clubs
Backstage Beer in the Pot, or is it?

Satisfying Sayonaras...
Leaving The Mynd and its Mellotron  
Martin goes to London
Melody Maker ad – Drummer required for well-known singer.
“I’m really good – can I audition today?”
Wait – we just Set the drummer on fire!

Serendipitous Savings…
Curator of Chicago’s Post Punk Museum  
Dressing room sign from American Bandstand
Martin’s Mickey Mouse watch
Whiskey and Meditation

Scintillating Scent of Success …
Speed, Alcohol plus Scratch and Sniff Banana postcards!
No. 3 = Smell of Money
No. 4 = Sweaty Boys in a Mosh Pit
No. 5 = Paper cup from a John Peel session
Happy Anniversaries and Memories  
No diary for Lol the Existentialist

Two Sides to Every Story…
Theory begets Reality
Martin = 90% Comedian; 10% Historian
Owning our past - 1st Class or 2nd Class?  
Crystal clear recollections of
Johnny Rotten, Jazz Coleman and Al Jourgensen

Superior Performers…
A bus-full of Junkies and Chlorine Gas  
Tolerance and Respect for Crazy Charismatic people  
A Rare and Undefinable Breed
Martin - The Monarch
Budgie - The Duke
Lol - The Emperor

Read it in Books.
We’re blessed and grateful to be here
Three drummers and a Practice pad
We belong together
Like Three Peas in a Pod

Dedicated to the Memory of Jeff Ward (November 18, 1962 – March 19, 1993) and William ‘Bill’ Fredrick Rieflin II (September 30, 1960 – March 24, 2020)

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Pepper Loves TKK
NYC 1000 Years ago 
Lol jumps Boulders in Central Park
Banshees at the Beacon Theatre
Lol and The Cure again for Reflections
Budgie at The Mayflower and The Grammercy Park 
Watch out for the Cockroaches!

Lol Loves LA - Home Sweet Home!
Not Discovered or Destroyed 
Personalities and Support Systems
Pepper’s NYC lockdown - Throwing tips for food.
Booster Party Time! 

Budgie and Pepper Chock full of Antibodies
NYC still loud!
The Stage is still Fun!
Choir at 7 years old 
Lol - no stage fright singing Gilbert and Sullivan  
10,000 people in the subway?

Benny and The Jets did it for Pepper!
Not Socially awkward but Social outcasts
Punky Pepper met TKK in a Pittsburgh Parking lot 
Hot Damn! She Joins the band! 
Budgie on stage in Chicago with TKK 

The Cocktail Bar.
Lol and The Cure shook Cocktails in Buckets!
Pepper’s crew used a Wheelbarrow!
Less than 3 or More than 3?
Let’s get Completely Cathartic!

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Q:1 Mark C of the Gold Coast asks will Budgie make a Beatboxing debut?
Budgie demonstrates the orifice-ial beats to ‘El Dia De Los Muertos’ and ‘Tattoo’. 
Maybe a beatbox compilation? 

Q:2 Eric Vonk asks about the 1980’s synth-drum – did we fall in love?
Lol went, Tsch-tsch, Stephen Morris went, ka-ka-ka-ka and Budgie went, Dink-dink & Drooove!
We all were in danger of serious wrist injury – but yes, we fell in love.

Q:3 Eric also asks Lol for his happiest moment in The Cure, Lol talks about the Top and coming to America. Budgie tries to paraphrase and his short-term memory loss gets the better of him.

And it’s a Happy Anniversary to Us! 
1979 – 43 years ago Lol and Budgie first shared a stage, when The Cure and Siouxsie and The Banshees played together at Leicester’s De Montfort Hall in England. Then the largest venue in Leicester, The Beatles also played here just after their return from Hamburg in 1963. 

Bet you didn’t know that – we certainly didn’t! 

What a happy memory, without which we probably wouldn’t be here together today.

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