Now hear me out. I KNOW I've said in the past that birds are not my thing & I don't find them that interesting.....& they're not & I don't, I stand by that, but I will never underestimate their importance. 

This week I welcome a guest that focuses specifically on 2 UK species to discuss what's happened to them, what's being done for them & why these birds are so important for the UK & it's biodiversity. Birder & naturalist Nick Acheson has a wealth of experience working around the world working to bring people closer to it's wildlife & now, since committing to not flying, he finds himself in Norfolk working to save the Curlew & Corncrake.

If you'd like to keep up to date with Nick, you can follow him on Twitter @themarshtit

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