Dan Shukis reminds us we must first save ourselves.

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That’s a clip from one of my favorite guilty pleasure. Reality shows alone.

Edit as a strange connection in so many ways with today’s interview, with cosmic keys, podcaster, Dan shuka Sue. I have to apologize again because. This episode has been hanging in my basket to get out for the longest time, but it’s out now. And I really, really think it’s an interesting conversation on so many levels. Here’s a clip.

Dan Shukis: [00:00:46] (ll) When you shine a light into a dark room, it lights up the whole room.

It’s a weird time for. Kind of preaching these like spiritual love messages, because so, so many things are topsy turvy, but I, I sorta think it’s extremely individualistic and you have to save yourself.

You have to be accountable for yourself and know how powerful that is because these evil forces really, , can’t handle it and they’ll, they’ll go away. The more people embrace love.

Alex Tsakiris: [00:01:22] skeptical, where we explore countries. You’ll science and spirituality with leading researchers, thinkers and their critics. I’m your host, Alex Securus. And today we welcome Dan chukkas of the cosmic keys podcast here to the skeptic hoe layer. Dan was nice enough to have me on his show, cosmic keys a few weeks ago.

And we had a really great time had a really good conversation about some interesting stuff that I dunno. I don’t think it’s talked about enough, so we both wanted to continue it. So we thought we’d bring the conversation over here. Dan. Welcome. Thanks for joining me.

Dan Shukis: [00:02:07] Yeah, thanks for having me, Alex. It’s an honor, because, uh, as I told you in our interview on cosmic keys, I’ve been listening to skeptical for a while now. And I never thought I never thought you would want to talk to me about stuff. So thanks for having me. I’m honored.

Alex Tsakiris: [00:02:25] Never know what? I never know quite what to say. They’re honored to talk to me, but that’s cool. I’ll go with it. I’ll roll with it. So for, for folks who don’t know, you know, tell us who is Dan shukas and tell us about cosmic. Key’s gone through a couple iterations. Tell folks what you’re doing over there these days, but first, who are you?

Dan Shukis: [00:02:48] Yeah, well, um, God, I don’t know where to start. So I, I grew up, well, we talked about this on my show as well. I grew up outside of Chicago, same area as you, Alex, we both went to the same high school. Um, And I started cosmic keys with a co-host Scarlet Ravens wood. Who’s kind of in like the Neo pagan, spiritual new age community.

And I had been interested in these spiritual topics, um, for my whole life. And when I met Scarlet, she kind of, because she was already out there. In the public with her YouTube channel and her social media stuff. She was already talking about these topics. Openly. And at the time I was pretty nervous to put myself out there and speak about these things, but we kind of pair it up with cosmic keys with me doing the astrology forecast for the week ahead and her doing a tarot reading for the week ahead.

And we talked to a lot of. A lot of similar people that you talk to, people that are in spiritual paranormal kind of metaphysical communities. And, um,