Cloud native systems are, by definition, distributed —but to run databases securely and effectively on them, what’s needed is not only purpose-fit technology, but a change of mindset, according to this podcast episode’s guests.

In this episode of Makers, the New Stack podcast, Jim Walker, principal product evangelist and Michelle Gienow, senior technical content manager, of Cockroach Labs (and a former New Stack reporter), discussed how distributed systems create new challenges for databases, the paradigm shift that’s needed to run databases effectively on Kubernetes, and the results of a new survey of Kubernetes users.

The podcast was hosted by Heather Joslyn, features editor of The New Stack.