In a normal year, children would to be starting back to school. This year, some will, some won’t, and parents, teachers, and school systems all face tough choices. What do know about what works to help kids whether they’re in school or not? Here’s my 2019 conversation with DAVID KIRP, Professor at UC Berkeley. His books include THE SANDBOX INVESTMENT and KIDS FIRST, and we talk about innovative programs that make a big difference in kids’ lives and deserve to be invested in and expanded nationally.