This podcast features Debra Saunders, the long-time columnist for the San Francisco Chronicle who turned Trump White House beat reporter for the Las Vegas Review-Journal.  These days Debra Saunders is a fellow at the Discovery Institute’s Chapman Center for Citizen Leadership.  Debra discusses what it was like to be a member of the White House press corps during the Trump years, reporting during the coronavirus pandemic, and offers her insights on the state of California.