Granta 170: Winners is out this week. In this episode, we speak to Declan Ryan about his essay on the British heavyweight boxing today, ‘The Hurt Business’, which appears in the magazine's new sports issue. 

You can read the essay discussed in this episode here. 

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Declan Ryan is the author of Crisis Actor, a poetry collection published with Faber in 2023. 

Josie Mitchell is senior editor at Granta. Leo Robson is a cultural journalist whose work has appeared in the London Review of Books, the New Yorker, and the New Left Review.