DEEP Dive

Meta sits at the forefront of the online world, connecting people all over the globe through its social media applications. This also makes Meta proactive to counter bad-faith actors, including terrorists. On episode 41 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by Hadelin Feront, a member of Meta's Global Counter-Terrorism Policy team, for a discussion into how the company ensures that extremists are countered in the online space, whilst also respecting the privacy and end-to-end encryption of its other users.

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In war, psychology is just as important as sheer strength and troop numbers, and Ukraine has maintained its psychological advantage over Russia since the very start of the latter’s invasion. In episode 40 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel sits down with Mike Martin to discuss the lessons we can learn from not only the war in Ukraine, but also from other conflicts including the war in Afghanistan.

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The 2019 Christchurch terrorist attack was a game changer for law enforcement in New Zealand and beyond. The live stream and subsequent reuploads of the attack garnered millions of views, posing a real risk of encouraging copycat attacks. The Christchurch Call was established in this context, as a collaboration between governments, tech companies, and civil society to ensure that terrorists and violent extremists can never use social media to amplify their attacks again. In this episode of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by Paul Ash, the Christchurch Call and Cyber Coordinator in the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet in New Zealand to discuss his crucial role in the formation of this initiative.

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Ahead of the release of his new book The Future of Geography: How Power and Politics in Space Will Change Our World, author and journalist Tim Marshall sits down with Dr. Sajjan Gohel for part two of their discussion. In episode 38 of NATO DEEP Dive, Tim and Sajjan ponder the growing importance of space to international relations and whether we are in the midst of a Space Race 2.0. One thing is certain: what happens in space will shape human history the same way the geography of mountains, rivers, and seas has on Earth.

When Tim Marshall first appeared on the NATO DEEP Dive podcast, he coined the term ‘The Dangerous Decade’ to describe the 2020s. Now, nearly 18 months on, his description has been proved prescient on more than one occasion. From Russia’s invasion of Ukraine to China’s military posturing in the Indo-Pacific, Dr. Sajjan Gohel and Tim Marshall take stock of all that has happened since and what could take place in the future of this dangerous decade.

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In modern warfare, controlling the online information space is as important as making physical gains on the battlefield. In addition to its military defence capabilities, Ukraine has proved it can win hearts and minds through social media by documenting its army's successes and Russian atrocities. In episode 36 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by senior behavioural scientist at RAND, Todd Helmus, to discuss the importance of the information battlefield and how artificial intelligence technology like deepfakes can pose a real threat in military and political environments if utilised by hostile actors.

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From opposition groups forming in Tajikistan and beyond, to the growth of the TTP in Pakistan, the Taliban's return to power has had far-reaching implications for the region and ultimately the world. Join Dr. Sajjan Gohel for the third and final part of our three-part special with Foreign Policy's Lynne O'Donnell to explore these very dynamics.

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Since their return to power, the Taliban have reimposed their draconic doctrine on Afghans, particularly women. Following her first-hand experience in the country, Lynne O'Donnell provides her assessment of the new regime and the key decision-makers. Lynne also details how China has sought to enhance its position in Afghanistan, but faces the same challenges as the West once did. This is episode two of a three-part special.

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In July 2022, Foreign Policy's Lynne O'Donnell returned to Afghanistan for the first time since the Taliban had retaken the country. What was meant to be a typical reporting trip suddenly turned into an ordeal when Lynne was detained and interrogated by senior members of the Taliban's leadership. In episode 33 of NATO DEEP Dive, Lynne joins Dr. Sajjan Gohel to recount her own personal experiences facing the Taliban’s misogyny and intimidation tactics. This episode is the first of a three-part special with Lynne O'Donnell on the current state of Afghanistan since the Taliban's return to power.

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After a distinguished and decorated career in policing that spanned decades, Terri Nicholson shifted roles to provide security for Paramount Pictures, one of the world's leading producers of entertainment content. In episode 32 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks with Terri about her career and experiences dedicated to global security as well as the transferable skills from law enforcement to the private sector.

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