In this episode, I sit down with bestselling author and educator John Spencer to talk about the power of deep learning in today’s classrooms.

We discuss insights from his book The Depth Advantage and explore why meaningful, relevant work is key to engaging students and helping them sustain focus and effort.

Our conversation also dives into the role of AI in learning, including how it can provide powerful supports, such as unlimited feedback, while still preserving the productive struggle students need to grow. John shares his perspective on the system constraints teachers face and how educators can still create space for deeper learning within those realities.

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