In this episode of the Deicipher Podcast, Ruthann and Yoli Maya Yeh explore the themes of land acknowledgment, the importance of DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) in the current socio-political climate, and the need for active restoration and self-care amidst challenges. They discuss the recent cancellation of federal DEI initiatives and the implications for community care models, emphasizing the importance of hope and localized efforts in driving change. In this conversation, Yoli Maya Yeh and Ruthann explore the complexities of democracy, citizenship, and the historical context of American governance. They discuss the intertwined relationship between big business and politics, the importance of civic engagement, and the need for individuals to understand the mechanisms of their democracy. The dialogue emphasizes the significance of community care, mutual aid, and effective communication skills in fostering a more equitable society. They also highlight the necessity of discovering personal gifts to contribute to collective action and the evolving landscape of diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) efforts.

Chapters

00:00 Embodied Land Acknowledgment 07:29 Navigating Change and Transformation 09:02 The Importance of DEI in 2025 14:39 Active Restoration and Self-Care 22:17 The Cancellation of DEI Initiatives 30:04 Localized Community Care Models 31:25 Understanding Democracy and Citizenship 32:24 Historical Context of American Citizenship 34:47 The Role of Big Business in Politics 35:36 Engagement in Democracy 36:34 The Importance of Understanding 'How' in Civic Engagement 38:46 Boycotting and Economic Activism 40:50 Community Care and Mutual Aid 43:49 Communication Skills for World Building 45:49 Discovering Personal Gifts for Collective Action 49:02 The Future of DEI and Community Efforts 54:55 Evolving Together in Times of Change

Summary

In this episode of the Deicipher Podcast, Ruth Ann Gagnon and Yoli Maya Yeh explore the complexities of conflict, emphasizing the importance of embodied practices and land acknowledgment. They discuss the challenges of navigating stuck places in conflict, the process of fumbling towards repair, and the impact of perfectionism on conflict resolution. The conversation highlights the need for trust, vulnerability, and genuine engagement in conflict situations, as well as the importance of building skills for effective conflict resolution. In this conversation. They also emphasize the importance of structure, the impact of time constraints, and the necessity of embracing doubt and messiness in the process. They discuss the role of failure, creativity, and humanizing interactions in fostering a culture of belonging and empathy, ultimately advocating for a shift in how we approach conflict in both personal and professional settings.

Chapters

00:00 Embodied Land Acknowledgment and Connection 07:41 Navigating Conflict and Stuck Places 12:11 Fumbling Towards Repair 18:01 Perfectionism and Performance in Conflict 24:11 Trust, Vulnerability, and True Engagement 30:09 Building Skills for Conflict Resolution 31:24 Navigating Conflict with Structure 34:30 The Impact of Time Constraints on Conflict Resolution 37:47 Embracing Doubt in New Processes 41:24 The Messiness of Conflict Engagement 44:07 Understanding Failure in Conflict Resolution 48:17 Creative Approaches to Metabolizing Conflict 52:30 The Role of Humanizing in Conflict Resolution

In this episode of the Decipher podcast, hosts Ruthann and Yoli Maya Yeh explore the themes of conflict, embodiment, and decolonization. They emphasize the importance of breath and connection, the need for active restoration in conflict engagement, and the role of trust in navigating polarized opinions. The conversation highlights the necessity of integrating mental health into conflict resolution and the potential for conflict to serve as fertile ground for learning and growth. The hosts encourage listeners to engage with their bodies and emotions as they navigate conflict, advocating for a more compassionate and restorative approach to conflict resolution.

Takeaways

Embodied land acknowledgment is crucial for connection. Breath serves as a tool for grounding and awareness. Conflict engagement requires trust and vulnerability. Active restoration is essential for effective conflict resolution. Decolonization involves integrating indigenous practices into conflict engagement. Mental health must be part of the conflict resolution process. Conflict can be a fertile ground for learning and growth. Trust is built through shared experiences and vulnerability. The body must be centered in conflict engagement practices. Community care is vital for navigating conflict.

Chapters

00:00 Embodied Land Acknowledgement and Connection 09:36 Navigating Conflict in a Polarized World 12:57 The Importance of Trust in Transformative Work 18:08 Engaging with Conflict: Tools and Strategies 25:04 Active Restoration and Embodiment in Conflict Resolution 31:13 Restoration and Trust in Conflict Resolution 32:54 The Role of Conflict Transformation 34:31 Navigating Sabotage and Power Dynamics 35:53 The Importance of Rest and Reflection 38:19 Practicing Restraint in Conflict 40:43 Indigenous Tools for Restoration and Decolonization 44:01 Empowerment Through Playfulness in Conflict 48:04 The Need for Integrated Mental Health in Conflict Resolution 52:24 Dreaming New Models for Conflict Engagement 59:31 The Fertile Ground of Conflict for Learning

In this episode of the Decipher Podcast, hosts Ruthann Gagnon and Yoli Maya Yeh delve into the complexities of conflict resolution frameworks, emphasizing the importance of embodiment, cultural influences, and the role of language in navigating conflicts. They explore various models of conflict resolution, the impact of power dynamics, and the necessity of understanding emotional intelligence in communication. The conversation culminates in a reflection on nature as a metaphor for conflict resolution, highlighting the interconnectedness of all beings and the potential for healing through understanding and collaboration.

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Conflict Resolution Frameworks 07:59 The Importance of Embodiment in Conflict Engagement 16:01 Cultural Models of Conflict and Communication 24:03 Navigating Conflict Resolution Models 31:55 The Role of Language in Conflict Resolution 40:00 The Interplay of Power and Conflict 47:56 Nature as a Metaphor for Conflict Resolution

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In this episode, Ruthann and Yoli continue their conversation on conflict resolution. They start with a land acknowledgement and a focus on connecting to the breath, body, and nature. They discuss how conflict can manifest in the body and the importance of releasing tension in the various places and invite listeners to attune to where tension is held. They explore different approaches to conflict resolution, including consensus decision-making and theater games. They also touch on the cultural differences in conflict resolution and the need for relating and rehumanizing in the process. The episode ends with a reflection on the weaponization of conflict resolution and the exhaustion and apathy it can create. The conversation explores the concept of repair and healing in various contexts, emphasizing the need for the right conditions and atmosphere. It delves into the importance of inner conflict resolution and external expression, as well as the balance between internal and external transformation. The conversation also highlights the impact of cultural paradigms and role modeling on conflict resolution, and the need for decolonization. It discusses the challenges of navigating conflict in a society that promotes individualism and binary thinking. The conversation concludes with reflections on the power of reflection, creativity, and community collaboration in conflict resolution.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Land Acknowledgement 08:11 Reflecting on Conflict in the Body 13:26 Different Approaches to Conflict Resolution 19:43 Cultural Differences in Conflict Resolution 25:06 The Importance of Relating and Rehumanizing 27:28 The Weaponization of Conflict Resolution 30:23 Creating the Atmosphere for Repair and Healing 34:03 The Impact of Cultural Paradigms on Conflict Resolution 37:47 Decolonization and Conflict Resolution 40:52 Navigating Conflict in an Individualistic Society 46:01 The Power of Reflection, Creativity, and Community Collaboration in Conflict Resolution

This episode focuses on conflict resolution and the need to address it in DEI frameworks. We explore the dominant cultural characteristics that influence our relationship with conflict resolution and the limitations of binary thinking. We discuss the internal conflict that arises in DEI work and the importance of engaging with conflict to unlearn and grow. We highlight the potential for growth, belonging, and connection that conflict offers. Our conversation explores how conflict was role-modeled for both ourselves in our households and how it shaped our approach to conflict resolution. We share the importance of ongoing learning and integration in conflict resolution and the need for community support.

Takeaways

-Embodied land acknowledgement is an important for rebuilding a partnership with the land and resolving conflict. -Conflict resolution needs to be addressed in DEI frameworks and needs to go beyond binary thinking. -Internal/personal conflict is a crucial aspect of DEI work and requires engagement and unlearning. -Conflict offers the potential for growth, belonging, and connection. -Shame and power dynamics can influence how we internalize conflict. -Ongoing learning, integration, and community support are essential in conflict resolution. -The body's physical sensations and responses provide valuable insights in conflict situations. -Incorporating embodied tools and the body's wisdom is crucial in conflict resolution. -The intersection of DEI and wellness includes recognizing the importance of the body in conflict resolution.

Chapters

00:00 Embodied Land Acknowledgement and Reconnecting with the Land 08:45 Introduction to Conflict Resolution 13:20 The Need for Conflict Resolution in DEI Work 18:11 Challenging Dominant Cultural Characteristics in Conflict Resolution 20:27 Conflict Engagement and the Role of Self-Care 28:13 Conflict in Personal Development 29:05 Power Dynamics and Fear of Expressing Conflict 30:14 The Importance of Repair and Ongoing Integration 35:28 Embodied Tools and the Intersection of DEI and Wellness 37:33 Exploring Different Stories and Lenses Around Conflict 53:50 Outro - Conclusion

In this episode we explore the negative connotations and politicization surrounding DEI, as well as the financial motivations behind it. Our conversation delves into the binary nature of DEI approaches and the need for a more holistic and heart-centered approach. We also discuss the impact of legal precedents on DEI programs, using the example of a reparations program in Evanston, Illinois. We delve into the importance of moving beyond binary thinking and finding alternative ways to create meaningful change. The conversation explores the idea that DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) is not dead but needs to evolve beyond binary thinking. It discusses the challenges of navigating a binary system and the importance of exploring multiple truths and non-binary spaces. The conversation also highlights the role of the media in sensationalizing and misrepresenting DEI efforts. It emphasizes the need for decentralized leadership models, individualized approaches, and the diversification, equity, and inclusion of DEI efforts. The conversation concludes with a call to reclaim our humanity, dream of a world where needs are met, and work towards cultures of belonging.

00:00 Land Acknowledgement and Connecting to the Earth 06:26 The Claim that DEI is Dead 08:11 The Negative Connotations and Politicization of DEI 23:10 The Impact of Legal Precedents on DEI 26:03 Moving Beyond Binary Thinking in DEI 27:07 Moving Beyond Binary Thinking 32:37 The Role of Media in DEI Sensationalism 36:25 Celebritizing and Pedestalizing in DEI 39:49 Diversification, Equity, and Inclusion in DEI 45:49 Reclaiming Our Humanity for DEI 47:47 Dreaming of a World with Cultures of Belonging

Welcome to Episode 12, inspired by the creative dreamy space experienced in the hammams of Fes, Morocco (one of Yoli's absolute favorite places to be).

In this episode, we host our wonderful friend and colleague Sojourner Zenobia to discuss the magic of rest, creativity, and connection to the body. We delve into the power of collective rest, creativity and the transformative experiences that can arise from immersive artistic practices. Our conversation flows into the importance of accessing the wisdom and creativity that already exists within the body and the potential for healing and liberation that comes from embracing rest and self-expression. We play with the concept of a 'design-less design' where slowing down and resting allows for new discoveries and experiences. Our conversation concludes with the need for resources that center BIPOC, queer, and femme voices and the importance of creating spaces for rest and healing for these identities. We had such a powerful experience with Sojourner sharing our experiences with creativity, storytelling, and the power of intimate connections and hope you enjoy hearing about them.

About Sojourner Zanobia:

Sojourner Zenobia (they/them), Sojourner has completed decades of somatic performance training at Marymount Manhattan, Pearl Ubungen's BFA at Naropa University, The School at Steppenwolf and Pantheatre's Roy Hart school in Paris. They have trained in connecting with ancestors, nature and the spirit world and healing facilitation at Life Force Arts in Chicago, they trained in circle keeping with Circles and Ciphers and Kay Pranis, and in 2021 they completed Tracee Stanley and Chanti Tacoronte-Perez's yoga nidra Training.

Sojourner found spirituality through the practice of presence as a performer. This portal of presence opened up the Buddhist path to them and the Buddhist practice opened the healing of connecting with the earth. They became the spider that they were terrified of as a child and began to weave together everything that gave them feelings of trust, hope and freedom. They are now an embodied sacred space facilitator, through their LLC By Moonlight and their current multidisciplinary performance practice includes installation art with raw materials such as earth, shells, stones and flowers, experimental vocal work and structured improvisations as a mover.

For the past 13 years Sojourner has held a meditation and ritual space called "Stillness," where they have guided hundreds of BIPOC queer folks in deepening their connection with ancestors, nature and personal spiritual gifts. Sojourner is currently exploring stillness by trusting the wisdom that emerges in their body in quiet pauses and by trusting the relationships in their life.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Embodied Land Acknowledgement 06:43 Introducing Sojourner Zenobia and Their Creative Journey 09:37 Yoli's Inspiration for the Podcast and Winter Cave 14:01 Exploring Rest and Sensuality in Creative Practices 23:28 Individualized Creativity vs Collective Creativity 29:10 Winter Cave and Rediscovering Rest 32:56 Challenging Societal Programming and Gaining Perspective 36:25 The Power of Collective Creativity 39:04 The Importance of Rest and Healing 40:55 Centering BIPOC, Queer, and Femme Voices 44:04 Intimate Connections and Storytelling for Transformation

In this episode, we explore the concept of liminal space, which refers to the spaces in between, such as the space between thoughts, sleep and wakefulness, and doing and not doing. Liminal space is a state of consciousness that allows for rest, rejuvenation, and creativity. The conversation also touches on the colonization of sleep and the importance of rest to build a new world of equity. We share our favorite liminal space practices, such as walking and engaging in self-styled retreats. In this conversation, and the concept of liminal space and its importance in personal growth and transformation. We explore the idea of structured and unstructured liminality and how it can be integrated into daily life. We also discuss the potential challenges of integrating liminal experiences back into regular life and the importance of embracing the liminal as a catalyst for change. The conversation highlights the need for liminal space in designing a world where everyone's needs are met and where leadership is decentralized. They encourage listeners to start their own liminal rest journey, even if it's just one small step at a time.

A few takeaways:

-Liminal space refers to the spaces in between, such as the space between thoughts, sleep and wakefulness, and doing and not doing. -Liminal space is a state of consciousness that allows for rest, rejuvenation, and creativity. -The colonization of sleep has led to the devaluation of rest, but rest is essential for our well-being. -Engaging in liminal space practices, such as yoga nidra, walking and self-styled retreats, can help us tap into our creativity and find moments of rest and rejuvenation. Liminal space is a powerful tool for personal growth and transformation. -Integrating liminal experiences back into regular life can be challenging but is essential for growth. -Embracing the liminal can lead to a change in life design and a commitment to personal growth. -Liminal space is not a luxury but a necessity for creating a better world. -Start your own liminal rest journey, even if it's just one small step at a time.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Liminal Space 07:48 The Power of Belonging and Community in Liminal Space 28:45 The Power of Liminal Space 36:41 Designing a Better World through Liminal Space

Our conversation explores the deep connection between nature and our well-being, emphasizing the importance of spending time in nature for self-regulation and embodiment. It highlights the need to look to nature for solutions and inspiration, as nature is a perfect design and we are part of it. Our conversation also touches on the discomfort that can arise when connecting with nature, as well as the fear and intellectualization that can hinder our relationship with the natural world. It suggests that nature is a powerful tool for diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiatives, as it embodies interconnectedness, reciprocity, and the acceptance of discomfort. The conversation explores the importance of belonging and the role of nature in fostering a sense of belonging. It challenges the punitive approach often used in DEI education and emphasizes the need for healing and transformative methodologies. We also highlight the significance of connecting with nature and the potential for nature-inspired design principles in creating sustainable and equitable communities. It concludes with a reflection on the human disconnection from our own humanity and the need to return to our indigenous identity and restore our relationship with the land.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Land Acknowledgement 07:11 The Contrast of Urban and Natural Environments 13:17 Nature as the Architecture for Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion 22:43 Nature as a Tool for Self-Regulation and DEI Initiatives 27:18 Belonging and the Role of Nature 28:59 Challenging Punitive Approaches in DEI Education 30:25 Healing Principles and Embodied Rest Practice 39:26 Returning to Our Indigenous Identity 45:08 Human Disconnection and the Need for Healing 48:03 Nature as the Source of Answers