We're not exactly at odds, but there's definitely some healthy debate among the hosts around how to assess Expo West 2025. And it turns out, we're not alone. The biggest question on everyone's mind: how do we truly evaluate innovation, and what does it mean for the future of the food and beverage industry in the near term?

Show notes:

0:25: Burner Apartment. ET x TR. Nom, Nom. Incremental Optimism. Snax & Bevs. Horny Goat Hummus. – Ray is in secret agent mode and shares a big announcement about Elevator Talk. Jacqui and Mike spill the goods on Nombase. John talks about why some folks misread innovation exhibited at Expo West, but Ray, of course, still has questions. Jacqui highlights the possibility of a market correction, while Mike hails business fundamentals before getting excited about fruit bites and protein powders. John gets giddy about hummus and Jacqui shares a tingly product that makes some of the hosts blush.

Brands in this episode: Blue Hour, Cob, PWR-UP, Palmas, PKN, Jubilees, swinger, ISH, Pistakio, Joon, HYQ, Pulpito, Crushed Tonic, Honey Mama's, Onyx Coffee, Drywater, Ithaca Hummus, Graza, Cedar's, Cookie Chachi, Charmlee, Sturdy Sauce