Abdul Aziz Muhamat – originally from Sudan, now a refugee detained on Manus – has been using a smuggled phone to give Australians a first-hand account of life in detention. Since March 2016, Aziz has been corresponding with Melbourne journalist Michael Green, using WhatsApp to relay voice messages. Hear directly from Aziz himself (appearing via Skype) at this discussion of life on Manus and the making of the podcast. He’s joined by Behind the Wire’s Michael Green, psychologist and former Manus Island health worker John Zammit and Guardian correspondent Ben Doherty. Hosted by ABC 7.30 reporter (and Wheeler Centre Question Time anchor) Madeleine Morris.