On today’s episode of The New Stack Makers podcast, TNS founder and editor-in-chief Alex Williams sat down for a discussion with Stoplight.io's Lead Community Engineer Taylor Barnett recorded live from OSCON 2018, held in Portland earlier this year.

Starting off the conversation, Williams brought up the topic of service meshes, to which Barnett quickly noted, "A lot of places aren't even there yet. They're still in the getting started phases, now that we've been talking about microservices for a few years and how to grow that. There's a lot of tooling still to be built out there."