In this episode, Pastor Joseph Spurgeon discusses strategy and tactics in dealing with pastors, elders, and churches in our current culture and climate. He emphasizes the importance of taking ownership and building relationships within the church. He recommends reading the book 'Extreme Ownership' by Jaco Willink, which teaches the principle of taking responsibility for everything and having good relationships with leaders. Pastor Spurgeon also highlights the need to approach conversations with pastors tactfully and to test our own egos before addressing concerns. He encourages men to focus on performance and completing tasks to build trust with their superiors. In this part of the conversation, Joseph Spurgeon emphasizes the importance of serving and building relationships within the church. He encourages listeners to actively participate in their church by serving, supporting their pastors, and being involved in the mission. Spurgeon also discusses the concept of playing the game, which involves building trust and relationships with leaders and subordinates. He advises against destructive behavior and encourages listeners to be part of the solution rather than the problem. Finally, he addresses the topic of mutiny, stating that disobedience should be a last resort and only justified in cases of illegal, immoral, or unethical actions. In this final part of the conversation, Joseph Spurgeon discusses the different approaches a subordinate can take when dealing with a boss or leader who is leading in a way that may result in harm or failure. He emphasizes the importance of tact and communication in expressing concerns and suggests various strategies to influence the boss's decision-making. Spurgeon also explores the potential outcomes of refusing to comply with a boss's plan and the risks involved. He encourages men to take ownership and leadership in their homes, churches, and society.