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Dr. Jack Sarfatti is a sparkling, adventurous thinker, and he's been applying his technical acumen to UFOs in various ways for an astounding 70 years. 

Jack says he was charged by the CIA in 1974 with investigating consciousness and UFOs, and in the years since then he believes he has successfully developed physics explanations for both. 

We discuss Dr. Sarfatti's career, his ideas about the physics of UFOs, his intersections with intelligence officers and other serious researchers, and the intriguing childhood event that helped set him on the path of investigating the phenomenon. 

Buckle up for a wild ride and bring your thinking caps. Jack has a freewheeling style that hops across time, space and reality, always with a twinkling grin. 

Show Note ~ Jack mentioned in a comment that he made a mistake toward the end of this conversation. Here's his note: 

@JackSarfatti: "I screwed up at the end. Spin 0,1, 2 create repulsive anti-gravity dark energy. Spin 1/2 creates attractive gravity dark matter." 

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Dr. Sarfatti ~ UAP Physics Primer: https://vimeo.com/554469177 

Dr. Sarfatti ~ Relativity and Warp Drives: https://vimeo.com/878602695 

How the Hippies Saved Physics: https://www.amazon.com/dp/039334231X 

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