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Dr. James Madden teaches philosophy at Benedictine College. He's written three books, including "Unidentified Flying Hyperobject: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the World." 

We discuss how to think carefully about UAP, the probabilities of their origins, the tension between caution and productive investigation, what it would take to prove UAP are nonhuman, and the possibilities of contact. 

Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees 

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