Peter Hitchens is so anti-drugs, and so engaged with his moral compass he won't even consider taking the fictional recreationals, while Sarah Vine has been on antidepressants for over a decade and swears by her 'fat jab’.

This, while Peter dreams of a Dutch like utopia where cars are rarely seen and children are safe to walk to school.

Shall the twain ever meet? Occasionally.

Join them for a conversation that begins by asking is society, sleepwalking into a delirium of self-medication and can end just about anywhere...

On our reading list this week:

The Road To Wigan Pier – George Orwell

Brave New World – Aldous Huxley

Cracked: Why Psychiatry is Doing More Harm Than Good - James Davies

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Presenters: Sarah Vine & Peter Hitchens

Producer: Philip Wilding

Editor: Chelsey Moore

Production Manager: Vittoria Cecchini

Executive Producer: Jamie East

A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular

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To get in touch email [email protected], you can leave a comment on Spotify or even send us a voice note on WhatsApp - on 07796 657512 start your message with the word 'alas'

Presenters: Sarah Vine & Peter Hitchens

Producer: Phillip Wilding

Editor: Chelsey Moore

Production Manager: Vittoria Cecchini

Executive Producer: Jamie East

A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular

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