In this episode, Nathan sits down with Shawn Jansepar, Director of Engineering at Khan Academy, to discuss their GPT-4 powered Socratic tutor, Khanmigo. In this conversation, Shawn and Nathan chat about Khan Academy’s collaboration with OpenAI and how they helped fine-tune GPT-4, how Khan Academy leveraged GPT-4 to build Khanmigo, and the impact of providing access to an AI tutor to any student. If you're looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview: Education 10 years from now

(04:42) Khan Academy’s early access partnership with OpenAI

(06:31) Khanmigo: journey from Chrome extension to AI tutor

(11:36) GPT-4’s ability to be Socratic vs 3.5

(15:05) Sponsors: Netsuite | Omneky

(16:40) Integrating Khan Academy’s Pedagogy into AI

(20:06) The future of education 10 years from now 

(22:37) Khan Academy’s models

(27:20) Demo-driven development process

(31:16) Sculpting the behaviour of a Socratic tutor model 

(35:59) Khan Academy’s contribution to GPT-4’s fine-tuning and RLHF

(38:41) Being data-informed vs data-driven as a practice 

(42:10) Incurring tech debt to get ahead of the curve

(45:28) The boundary for what an AI can/can’t t tutor 

(49:30) Identifying when the user is confused and avoiding AI hallucinations

(53:54) Khanmigo’s development patterns 

(59:11) Making Khanmigo jailbreak resistant 

(01:01:50) Delivering personalized education with AI 

(01:04:08) How Shawn and his team are thinking about AI education

(01:05:33) Khanmigo’s future multimodal interactivity

(01:08:42) Evaluating Khanmigo’s efficacy for student learning 

(01:11:41) How widely is Khanmigo deployed today and what is the future for universal public access?

(01:05:11) Distribution through teachers and districts

(01:16:30) What are the reactions from teachers and education institutions to AI?

(01:18:15) Khanmigo’s pricing model

(01:19:03) The future roadmap for Khanmigo

(01:20:45) How will the AI tutor change the world at large?

LINKS:

Khanmigo: khan.co/khanmigo23

Benjamin Bloom’s 2-Sigma Problem: https://web.mit.edu/5.95/www/readings/bloom-two-sigma.pdf

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