In this conversation, Stephen R. Sanders joins Patria Rector to explore his ongoing journey of self-discovery through the Enneagram, particularly his identification as a Type Nine. Together, they unpack the complexities of relationships, emotional awareness, and identity. Stephen reflects on how external opinions, career transitions, and past relationships have shaped his sense of self and connection with others.

The discussion also touches on emotional habits and the Enneagram as a tool for personal growth, leading to insights about self-forgetting and the feeling of something missing in life.

Connect with Stephen: 
linktr.ee/stephenrsanders
stephenrsanders.com

Getting Started with the Enneagram:
Narrative Enneagram
The Emotional Habits of the Nine Personality Types
Typeology
Wisdom of the Enneagram
The Complete Enneagram
Enneagram 2.0

If this episode resonates with you, follow or subscribe to Echoes and Edges on your favorite podcast platform, leave a five-star review, and share with a friend who might need a gentle invitation to self-understanding.

Connect With Patria
Facebook
Instagram
The Broken & Beautiful Website

Credits:
Echoes and Edges is Produced and Edited by: Stephen R. Sanders
Music Promoted by Envato
Echoes and Edges is a part of VividLivid Podcast Network - Where bruises speak and healing finds its voice.

In this tender and insightful episode, Patria is joined by her husband, Jerry, for an honest conversation about what it’s like to be two Enneagram Nines in relationship. Married for over 30 years, they reflect on the joys and challenges of navigating life together as a “double nine couple.” From conflict avoidance to finding peace in their bodies, Jerry and Patria open up about how their unique differences shape their relationship — and how those patterns might resonate with your own story.

Whether you’re a Nine yourself, love a Nine, or simply want to better understand relational dynamics through the lens of the Enneagram, this episode offers wisdom, laughter, and practical encouragement.

Key Themes

• Conflict & Avoidance: Why Nines often struggle with voicing preferences, avoiding tension, or merging with others — and how Jer and Patria have learned to face those challenges together.
• Body & Intuition: How early family dynamics shaped Jer’s awareness of his body and Patria’s connection to her intuition, and the ways both contribute to peace.
• Speaking Up: The risks and rewards of sharing personal preferences — and why using our words can deepen intimacy and connection.
• Being Seen: Tender stories of moments when each felt celebrated and truly seen by the other.
• Conflict Transformation: How their understanding of anger shifted from something to avoid into a pathway to honesty and growth.
• Aliveness & Belonging: What helps them feel most alive, from adventure to belonging, and how showing up creates connection.

Gentle Practice
Take a slow breath and notice your body.

• Where do you feel tension?
• Where do you feel peace or joy?
  Ask yourself: What is one thing I want today, just for me?
  Don’t fix, don’t analyze — simply listen.

Reflection Questions

1. How do you experience the difference between peace and avoidance in your own life?
2. In what ways do you hold back your preferences — and what happens when you speak them?
3. When have you felt most seen or celebrated by someone you love?
4. How does your family of origin shape the way you experience conflict and connection?

Resources & Links

• Learn more at thebrokenandbeautiful.com
• Connect with Patria through the website’s contact page
• Share this episode with someone who loves a Nine or needs encouragement on their journey

Closing Reminder: You’re not too much. You’re not too late. You’re right on time.

Ad Affiliate: Reclaiming HER Resilence with Robrenna Parker

If this episode resonates with you, follow or subscribe to Echoes and Edges on your favorite podcast platform, leave a five-star review, and share with a friend who might need a gentle invitation to self-understanding.

Connect With Patria
Facebook
Instagram
The Broken & Beautiful Website

Credits:
Echoes and Edges is Produced and Edited by: Stephen R. Sanders
Music Promoted by Envato
Echoes and Edges is a part of VividLivid Podcast Network - Where bruises speak and healing finds its voice.

In this episode of Echoes and Edges, host Patria Rector engages in a profound conversation with Stephanie Rose, who shares her journey of navigating a coerced marriage, the struggles of her upbringing, and the path to reclaiming her identity and voice. The discussion delves into themes of resilience, empowerment, and the importance of trusting one's gut feelings. Stephanie reflects on her experiences of coercion, the challenges faced during her honeymoon, and the eventual realization that she needed to prioritize her own well-being. Through her story, she aims to inspire others to find their own voices and embrace their true selves.

Chapters:
00:00 Introduction to Healing and Transformation
10:08 Stephanie's Journey: From Daughter to Wife
24:12 The Dynamics of Control and Manipulation
32:19 Understanding Choice and Responsibility
33:02 Understanding Coercion in Relationships
38:28 Navigating the Honeymoon Experience
49:46 The Struggles of Early Marriage
56:48 Emotional Assault and Its Aftermath
58:10 The Journey of Healing and Ownership
01:00:04 Rediscovering Inner Strength
01:02:33 The Cost of Curiosity and Community
01:07:24 Reclaiming Voice and Identity
01:12:46 Empowering Others Through Story
01:16:43 Finding New Communities and Freedom

If this episode resonates with you, follow or subscribe to Echoes and Edges on your favorite podcast platform, leave a five-star review, and share with a friend who might need a gentle invitation to self-understanding.

Connect With Stephanie:
Stephanie's Bio
Instagram

If this episode resonates with you, follow or subscribe to Echoes and Edges on your favorite podcast platform, leave a five-star review, and share with a friend who might need a gentle invitation to self-understanding.

Connect With Patria
Facebook
Instagram
The Broken & Beautiful Website

Credits:
Echoes and Edges is Produced and Edited by: Stephen R. Sanders
Music Promoted by Envato
Echoes and Edges is a part of VividLivid Podcast Network - Where bruises speak and healing finds its voice.

In this episode, Patria Rector and Christine Schuele delve into the concepts of attunement, containment, and repair within the context of storywork. They explore how these elements play a crucial role in healing trauma and fostering healthy relationships. The conversation emphasizes the importance of presence over technique, the impact of unhealed stories on trust and love, and the significance of generational patterns in perpetuating trauma.
Ultimately, they highlight the journey of reawakening faith, hope, and love as essential components of personal and relational healing.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Storywork and Attunement
02:53 Exploring Attunement in Depth
05:46 The Importance of Containment
08:34 Understanding Misattunement
11:37 The Role of Repair in Relationships
14:29 Faith, Hope, and Love as Birthrights
17:29 The Power of Presence in Healing
20:27 Navigating Trauma and Relationships
23:08 Generational Patterns and Healing
26:09 The Journey of Reawakening Faith and Love

📖 Resources & Mentions:

• The Allender Center – Narrative Focused Trauma Care Training: theallendercenter.org/offerings/trainings/
• 1 Corinthians 13
• Dr. Dan Siegel – Interpersonal Neurobiology: drdansiegel.com
• Recommended Resources Page thebrokenandbeautiful.com
• Storywork Groups & Coaching at The Broken and Beautiful: thebrokenandbeautiful.com

If this episode resonates with you, follow or subscribe to Echoes and Edges on your favorite podcast platform, leave a five-star review, and share with a friend who might need a gentle invitation to self-understanding.

Connect With Patria
Facebook
Instagram
The Broken & Beautiful Website

Credits:
Echoes and Edges is Produced and Edited by: Stephen R. Sanders
Music Promoted by Envato
Echoes and Edges is a part of VividLivid Podcast Network - Where bruises speak and healing finds its voice.

In this episode of Echoes and Edges: The Broken and Beautiful Podcast, Patria introduces the practice of storywork, a narrative-focused trauma care approach rooted in the teaching of Dr. Dan Allender and The Allender Center.

Storywork invites us to revisit stories of harm and heartache in order to uncover how those moments have shaped our understanding of faith, hope, and love. Through attunement, containment, and the repair of rupture, storywork creates safe relational spaces where our fragmented stories can be held, honored, and reimagined with truth and compassion.

Patria shares:

• What storywork is and why it matters.
• How stories shape the way we see ourselves, others, and God.
• A tender example of childhood misattunement and its long-lasting impact.
• Dr. Dan Siegel’s framework of attunement, containment, and rupture repair as essential elements of healing.
• The transformative power of presence in story groups, coaching, and trusted relationships.

This is the first part of a multi-episode series exploring storywork as a path toward restoration, resilience, and rediscovering the deepest truths of who we are.

✨ Gentle Practice: Take a few slow breaths, jot down any memory or word that surfaced while listening, and ask yourself: What support do I need for this story?

📖 Resources & Mentions:

• The Allender Center – Narrative Focused Trauma Care Training: theallendercenter.org/offerings/trainings/
• 1 Corinthians 13
• Dr. Dan Siegel – Interpersonal Neurobiology: drdansiegel.com
• Recommended Resources Page thebrokenandbeautiful.com
• Storywork Groups & Coaching at The Broken and Beautiful: thebrokenandbeautiful.com

If this episode resonates with you, follow or subscribe to Echoes and Edges on your favorite podcast platform, leave a five-star review, and share with a friend who might need a gentle invitation to self-understanding.

Connect With Patria
Facebook
Instagram
The Broken & Beautiful Website

Credits:
Echoes and Edges is Produced and Edited by: Stephen R. Sanders
Music Promoted by Envato
Echoes and Edges is a part of VividLivid Podcast Network - Where bruises speak and healing finds its voice.

In this final installment of our Enneagram triad deep dive, Patria Rector explores the Head Triad—Types Five, Six, and Seven—also known as the Fear Triad. These thinking-centered types navigate life through the lens of security, trust, and possibility, yet each responds to fear in profoundly different ways. From the Investigator’s pursuit of knowledge and privacy, to the Loyalist’s complex dance with trust and caution, to the Enthusiast’s relentless chase for joy and freedom, Patria unpacks their motivations, emotional habits, and growth paths. You’ll also hear from real voices of each type, offering candid reflections on their inner worlds. Whether you are a Five, Six, or Seven—or love someone who is—this episode will give you tools for deeper compassion, connection, and understanding.

In This Episode:

1. Overview of the Head Triad — why Types 5, 6, and 7 are called the Fear Triad
2. How each type processes fear through thinking, planning, or distraction
3. Core fears, emotional habits, and common misunderstandings of each type
4. How the same triad can produce such varied personality expressions
5. Growth practices to shift from reactivity into presence and security
6. Personal reflection questions for each type to explore with a safe person
7. Authentic audio responses from real Fives, Sixes, and Sevens
8. A gentle closing breath prayer inspired by Type Seven’s growth virtue of sobriety

If this episode resonates with you, follow or subscribe to Echoes and Edges on your favorite podcast platform, leave a five-star review, and share with a friend who might need a gentle invitation to self-understanding.

Connect With Patria
Facebook
Instagram
The Broken & Beautiful Website

Credits:
Echoes and Edges is Produced and Edited by: Stephen R. Sanders
Music Promoted by Envato
Echoes and Edges is a part of VividLivid Podcast Network - Where bruises speak and healing finds its voice.

In this deep dive into the Enneagram’s Heart Triad—Types Two, Three, and Four—Patria Rector explores how these emotionally intelligent types navigate the world through the lens of feelings, relationships, and connection. From the Helper’s quiet fear of rejection, to the Achiever’s drive to prove their worth, to the Individualist’s lifelong quest for authenticity, you’ll discover the beauty, complexity, and growth paths unique to each type. With practical questions for reflection, insights from Enneagram teacher Beatrice Chestnut, and heartfelt contributions from real voices of each type, this episode offers both compassion and clarity for anyone who identifies with—or loves—a heart type.

What You’ll Hear in This Episode:

• An overview of the Heart Triad in the Enneagram: Types 2, 3, and 4
• How each type responds to sadness and the role of emotional intelligence
• Core fears, emotional habits (passions), and common misunderstandings for each type
• Growth practices and reflection questions to deepen self-awareness and connection
• Authentic voices from Type 2s, 3s, and 4s sharing personal experiences
• Insights from Beatrice Chestnut on the strengths and blind spots of the heart types
• A gentle grounding practice connecting body, heart, and mind

Gentle Practice for Today

End the episode with a calming, self-affirming touch exercise to remind yourself of the goodness of your body, heart, and mind.

Resources & Links

• Learn more about The Broken and Beautiful Collective: thebrokenandbeautiful.com
• Follow on Instagram: @thebrokenandbeautifulstories
• Join the conversation on Facebook: The Broken and Beautiful LLC

If this episode resonated with you, follow or subscribe on your favorite podcast platform, leave a five-star review, and share with someone who might need a little more light today.

If you’d like, I can also create a series-wide Enneagram episode template so every future type-focused episode (like the Head Triad) has consistent description and show notes formatting. That way, it stays brand-consistent and easy for you to publish.

If this episode resonates with you, follow or subscribe to Echoes and Edges on your favorite podcast platform, leave a five-star review, and share with a friend who might need a gentle invitation to self-understanding.

Connect With Patria
Facebook
Instagram
The Broken & Beautiful Website

Credits:
Echoes and Edges is Produced and Edited by: Stephen R. Sanders
Music Promoted by Envato
Echoes and Edges is a part of VividLivid Podcast Network - Where bruises speak and healing finds its voice.

In this episode of Echoes and Edges: The Broken and Beautiful Podcast, we step into the Enneagram’s Body Triad — Types Eight, Nine, and One — also known as the Gut Triad. These types lead with their instincts, carry a deep relationship to anger, and hold a profound need for autonomy.

We’ll explore how each type experiences anger differently, the unique fears and misunderstandings they face, and the relational patterns that can keep them stuck. You’ll hear from real Eights, Nines, and Ones as they respond to type-specific questions, offering personal insight into how they navigate vulnerability, conflict, and self-criticism.

Whether you identify with one of these types or love someone who does, this episode will help you see the Body Triad with greater depth, compassion, and understanding.

If this episode resonates with you, follow or subscribe to Echoes and Edges on your favorite podcast platform, leave a five-star review, and share with a friend who might need a gentle invitation to self-understanding.

Connect With Patria
Facebook
Instagram
The Broken & Beautiful Website

Credits:
Echoes and Edges is Produced and Edited by: Stephen R. Sanders
Music Promoted by Envato
Echoes and Edges is a part of VividLivid Podcast Network - Where bruises speak and healing finds its voice.

The Enneagram is more than a personality test — it’s a compassionate map of why we think, feel, and act the way we do. In this episode of Echoes and Edges: The Broken and Beautiful Podcast, host Patria Rector explores how the Enneagram can be used as a powerful healing modality.

We’ll look at the ways our early life experiences shaped the strategies we use to stay safe and connected, and how bringing awareness to those patterns can lead to profound transformation. When combined with storywork and relational care, the Enneagram becomes less about “fixing” yourself and more about finding freedom to be.

If this episode resonates with you, follow or subscribe to Echoes and Edges on your favorite podcast platform, leave a five-star review, and share with a friend who might need a gentle invitation to self-understanding.

Connect With Patria
Facebook
Instagram
The Broken & Beautiful Website

Credits:
Echoes and Edges is Produced and Edited by: Stephen R. Sanders
Music Promoted by Envato
Echoes and Edges is a part of VividLivid Podcast Network - Where bruises speak and healing finds its voice.

In this first episode of Echoes and Edges: The Broken and Beautiful Podcast, Patria Rector invites you into a tender and honest conversation about the heart of this space: the belief that you are enough, just as you are.

Through personal story, the wisdom of the Enneagram, and the transformative power of storywork, Patria explores how understanding our patterns and reclaiming our voice can move us from simply surviving to truly connecting — with ourselves, with others, and with God.

You'll learn how the Enneagram can be a compassionate guide rather than a label, why revisiting our stories matters for healing, and how we can begin building secure relationships — starting with the one we have with ourselves.

In this episode:

• Why “enoughness” is the foundation for growth
• How the Enneagram reveals the strategies we use to feel safe
• The role of storywork in understanding our patterns
• Simple ways to start moving toward secure connection
• A reflection prompt to help you explore your own story

Reflection Prompt:
What story do you tell yourself about who you need to be to be loved? Where did that story begin?


If this episode resonates with you, follow or subscribe to Echoes and Edges on your favorite podcast platform, leave a five-star review, and share with a friend who might need a gentle invitation to self-understanding.

Connect With Patria
Facebook
Instagram
The Broken & Beautiful Website

Credits:
Echoes and Edges is Produced and Edited by: Stephen R. Sanders
Music Promoted by Envato
Echoes and Edges is a part of VividLivid Podcast Network - Where bruises speak and healing finds its voice.