In this episode of Elixir Wizards, Charles Suggs and Emma Whamond are joined by Ellyse Cedeno, founder of Heuristic Salvo and a software engineer and product leader with more than 25 years of experience across early internet platforms, gaming, health tech, and distributed systems.
Ellyse shares the winding path that took her from early search engines and Netscape to game development, medical research at Mount Sinai, and eventually to Elixir. Along the way, she talks about staying curious over a long technical career, rediscovering joy through side projects, and why being willing to feel like a beginner again can be one of the most useful skills a developer can build.
The conversation explores what it means to grow as an engineer in a world where AI tooling is becoming part of the everyday workflow. Ellyse makes the case that technical skill still matters, but the human parts of software development (like judgment, curiosity, communication, trust, and influence) are becoming increasingly important.
We also talk about soft influence and how developers can create change inside organizations without relying on hard authority.
Key Topics Discussed in this Episode:
Ellyse’s career path through early internet platforms, gaming, health tech, and distributed systemsMoving from Netscape and search engines to medical research and software consultingDiscovering Elixir through an interest in concurrent and distributed systemsWhy beginner’s mindset still matters after decades in techHow neurodivergence, curiosity, and deep focus shape Ellyse’s approach to programmingRediscovering joy in programming through side projects and experimentationBuilding an MMORPG game server in ElixirExploring hardware, Nerves, and live theremin demosThe role of passion projects in professional growthProtecting time for learning in productivity-focused environmentsWork-life balance differences between the U.S. and EuropeHow AI tools are changing expectations for modern developersWhy AI does not replace judgment, taste, or technical understandingUnderstanding business needs instead of only focusing on technical preferencesIntroducing Elixir into a TypeScript-heavy organizationUsing Elixir microservices to solve specific technical problemsWhat “soft influence” looks like in engineering teamsBuilding trust through one-on-one conversationsKnowing when influence is working and when it is notNegotiating technical decisions without turning them into power strugglesThe relationship between technical competence and interpersonal skillManaging imposter syndrome during pair programming and collaborative workDocumentation as a visibility and ownership toolCommunity involvement, conference speaking, and finding your peopleStaying curious without burning outWhy the human side of software development still mattersLinks Mentioned:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape
Icahn School of Medicine at Mt. Sinai https://icahn.mssm.edu/
Evernote https://evernote.com/
Joplin https://joplinapp.org/
Book: Elixir in Action by Saša Jurić https://www.manning.com/books/elixir-in-action-third-edition
Book: The Little LISPer https://www.scribd.com/doc/263131641/The-Little-Lisper
Ellyse’s Goatmire Talk https://goatmire.com/speaker/ellyse-cedeno
Nerves https://nerves-project.org/
xHain Hack & Makespace in Berlin https://x-hain.de/en/
https://cursor.com/
Haskell Programming Language https://www.haskell.org/
Java Programming Language https://www.java.com/en/
Clojure Programming Language https://clojure.org/
Scheme Programming Language https://www.scheme.org/
TypeScript Programming Language https://www.typescriptlang.org/
Nostrum Library https://hexdocs.pm/nostrum/intro.html
Gleam Programming Language https://gleam.run/
Book: Getting Past No by William Ury https://www.williamury.com/getting-past-no/
“The Gambler” by Kenny Rogers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hx4gdlfamo
Ted Talk: Do schools kill creativity? | Sir Ken Robinson https://youtu.be/iG9CE55wbtY
Ellyse’s Codeberg https://codeberg.org/ellyxir
Ellyse’s Game Server Repo https://codeberg.org/ellyxir/gameserver
Goatmire Elixir & NervesConf 2026 https://www.goatmire.com/