University of Western Cape gender and religion scholar Professor Sarojini Nadar  responded to an article by TimesLIVE analyst and contributor, Eusebius McKaiser, in which he had argues that the God he was taught about in Catholicism does not exist. McKaiser argues that the characteristics of being all-loving, all-powerful and all-knowing are incompatible with the existence of natural evils like devastating floods and earthquakes. Nadar did not reject all of McKaiser' philosophical analysis, but expanded the conversation by explaining why she had abandoned, in her own personal journey and academic work, a conception of God that invokes notions of "might, masculinity and militarism."

In this edition of Eusebius on TimesLIVE, Nadar expands on the conversation that had begun on TimesLIVE. She started off by sharing her personal journey from a Pentecostal upbringing to her discovery of black, feminist and queer works which engage her faith. Thereafter, McKaiser challenged Nadar on whether the very idea of a transcendental being is necessary in order for one to be committed to black radical thought, feminism and justice. They also discussed the strategic importance of engaging and working with religious communities in order to achieve social justice in society, regardless of what one thinks about the metaphysical claims of those who believe in a supernatural being. 

Nadar and McKaiser also reflected on religion and humour, and whether it is ever wrong to have playful discussion about religious beliefs. They ended the episode by debating whether or not it is important for religious beliefs to be true or whether religious beliefs and practices can be defended wholly instrumentally by appealing to the (potential) benefits for individuals and society.