Real quick real fast —

You know how we're basically betting the farm on people who love the show sharing the show (hint hint nudge nudge THAT’S YOU RIGHT??), well, we’ve done our best to make that even easier with this episode. After the bulleted list of episode highlights, you’ll see a section called “Sharing made easy!”

If you want to share this episode with someone, all you gotta do is copy and paste one of those suckers.

So please do that!

And thank you!

Highlights:

Beth Williams is a professional psychic energy healer - find her on Instagram @psychicintegration

Mal’s seen several energy healers over the past 8–9 years, and Beth is her favorite

Growing up deeply religious, and the framing for mystical experience

Panic attacks in the middle of the night

Yoga produced mystical experiences

Cognitive dissonance - “Why now, when I’m doing nothing?”

How “doing nothing” can be the thing you need to do the most

The correlation between trauma and psychic ability — ”There is no healer who has not first been wounded” (Brother Richard)

Quitting the job, leaving the religion, becoming a psychic healer

Her husband and kids told her to go to all the yoga she wanted because she was so much easier to be around afterward

Discovering that healing can feel easy is almost universal, against the common instinct is that growth is supposed to be hard

Training in Reiki, and Beth’s first “clients”

Her psychic massage therapist mentor

The difference between feeling someone else’s energy and your own

A message too private to share, and the realization she should have shared it anyway

Saying what comes through, ignoring personal cost

Three messages to a banged up mountain biker, who admitted to one, denied the other two, and then later called to confirm

Psychics are only right 70% of the time. Discernment is important.

It’s messy — real info has to get through the psychic’s own mind, then the client’s, with layers of assumptions and self-deception on both sides

Western medicine saved Tom’s his son’s life, and his own vision, but traditional Chinese medicine saved his mother’s vision

Messages seem adapted to clients’ existing belief systems: Jesus shows up for Christians; for non-Christians, he doesn’t

How being Christlike is asking what the other person actually needs, which may not be what they want and may not be what you want to give them

What Beth gets out of her own work

How being yourself is the answer to the question of what you’re supposed to do with yourself

And in the epilogue…

Spiritual direction Mal’s own feet gave her

Whether there are overlaps between Mormons and psychics (yes (many))

The prosperity gospel of art — craft still matters more than divine inspiration alone

Sharing made easy!

“Why am I experiencing this when I’m doing nothing?” (09:36) — Beth describes the cognitive dissonance of having mystical experiences in yoga after a lifetime of trying to earn them through religion, and Jordan reframes it: you weren’t doing nothing, you were finally doing the thing.

“Psychic confirmation” (27:33) — After Beth delivers three very personal messages to an injured mountain biker, he denies the first two and confirms the third. Days later he calls to admit she was right, and that her advice saved his relationship with his daughter.

“You’re not doing the science anymore” (46:18) — Mal’s observation that you’ve gotta stay open to do real science.

And then of course there’s this neat little thing we made, if you want to send someone one of our more popular past episodes:

The Sharing Kit

Energized,
Jordan, Tom, & Mal

Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices