In this Early Access conversation, Katie sits down with Jeremy (“Remy”), an Enneagram Four from Texas whose life has moved through music, church work, divorce, and the long aftershocks of abandonment. Together they get underneath the classic Four questions—wanting to be “not misunderstood,” protecting a kind of mystery, and carrying a quiet fear that people will leave once they’ve seen too much. Jeremy tells the story of watching his father hand his mother divorce papers in kindergarten, then later losing his job, his mother, and his marriage—experiences that shaped both his intensity and his caution.

From there, the episode pivots into healing: what it means for Fours to realize they’re already “glorious,” to stop chasing constant extraordinariness, and to learn how the ordinary can still hold real beauty. The conversation also gets timely, exploring how social media and algorithm-driven platforms raise the threshold for what feels meaningful—flattening art, attention, and even identity into “what will perform.” Jeremy offers a grounded, artist’s critique of the attention economy, and Jeff closes by teeing up a part two—because they only scratched the surface of Jeremy’s story.