"The Questioning Leader".

15 minute edited highlight of our full conversation.

I recorded this episode just over 2 week ago. Before the world changed. It's a conversation with Madeleine Grynsztejn - the Pritzker Director of the Museum of Contemporary Art in Chicago.

Over the last few days, I've thought a lot about whether to publish this episode because so much of what we talked about seems at first glance to be from a different reality.

But I think, it's an important interview for a couple of critical reasons.

Madeleine talks about the role of art and the role of museums in both reflecting and shaping society. About the importance of constantly looking for the things that we don't know, for breaking our own assumptions of what happens next.

Suddenly, that feels like the most important question for us to start raising as leaders.