This episode is our third of Season 2 - shorter, focused conversations in which we discover how some of the world's most innovative and creative leaders are adapting their leadership to our new reality.

These people are among the world's best problem solvers.

Nils Leonard is the Co-Founder of Uncommon - and one of the most thoughtful and original leaders I know.

Nils describes the role of leaders in moments like this as dealers in hope.

We also talked about recognizing the energy that different people bring and tapping into that. About the benefit of giving people time to focus. About what's going to happen to society's complacency. And why, to quote Virginia Wolf, "you can't find peace by avoiding life".