Mark joins me to talk about his initial thoughts when hearing the show was getting rebooted after 15 years (8:08), his initial first impressions of all the couples (10:31), Nicole's growth throughout the season (19:10), Kady's treatment of John (25:21), his thoughts on the Evan/Kaci/Morgan situation (28:13), final bonfire for Karl & Nicole (35:43), final bonfire for John & Kady (39:45), and how difficult it was being there for Evan & Kaci's final bonfire (41:29). Then Kaci joins me to talk about everything that we couldn't talk about this season. From the problems in their relationship pre-show, how she felt watching her final bonfire back, what's happened post-show, where's she at in her life now, and much, much more (52:41).

Music written by Jimmer Podrasky (B'Jingo Songs/Machia Music/Bug Music BMI)

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