Katheryn joins me to talk about her life before "Temptation Island" (3:55), the reality show she was on before (5:48), how she was cast on TI (10:46), her bizarre journey on the show having never gotten a date until the very end (19:07), was she off limits to other guys bc of John (25:22), her fight with Morgan in episode 2 (27:04), did guys share their bonfire stories every time (36:53), her relationship with John on the show (42:57), Kady's treatment of John (46:19), her fall out with Morgan post-show (51:54), John's final bonfire (1:01:51), would she ever do this show as a couple (1:06:51), and her "Bachelorette" connection this season (1:08:56). Then Nicole joins me from Hawaii (1:20:38), and talks about if she was hesitant to do the show (1:22:28), what the boundaries were that she set with Karl (1:27:35), why did she feel she wasn't in love with him anymore (1:31:54), what did she think their problems were pre-show (1:35:02), was she surprised at anything she saw on bonfire videos (1:40:29), the "surface level" comments she made about their relationship and why she said it (1:43:24), her connection with Tyler (1:45:10), the final bonfire and reveals what really happened as part of their breakup (1:48:05), what happened post-show with Tyler (1:54:38), and was it difficult for her to promote the show knowing they'd broken up (1:59:44).

Music written by Jimmer Podrasky (B'Jingo Songs/Machia Music/Bug Music BMI)

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