This episode is part of Season 2 - which we've sub-titled, "Leading In The Time Of Virus".

Today, leadership requires that you meet the challenges of two viruses - COVID-19 and racism.

In this environment, unlocking creative thinking has never been more valuable or essential.

John Couch is the VP of Product Design at Hulu and author of "The Art of Creative Rebellion: How to champion creativity, change culture and save your soul".

He is also the child of an interracial marriage, at a time when interracial marriages were illegal.

He has suffered prejudice from both sides of his ancestry. And he has emerged, thoughtful, philosophical and committed to making a lasting difference.