Zach Hanson was thriving in the world of AI and big tech...until the layoffs came. Two mortgages, a family to support, and no job in sight, he did what few with a white-collar background ever dare: he turned to trapping to survive. In this raw and timely conversation, Zach reveals how losing the comfort of corporate life reconnected him to skills that most of society has forgotten, skills that may be our only hedge in an uncertain future.

Travis and Zach explore what it means to be truly self-reliant in a world increasingly propped up by fragile systems. From welding school to wolf trapping, from modern brain rot to the mental health cost of career fragility, this is a conversation about grit, identity, and rediscovering the value of getting your hands dirty. Zach's new book, The Trade Gap, might just be the blueprint for how to stay human in an AI-powered world.

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Timestamps of Key Moments:

• 00:01:42 – The nostalgic charm of Merits Café and small-town hospitality
• 00:04:50 – Fishing in Idaho and the surprising joy of tenkara rods
• 00:08:00 – Life in Atlanta, Idaho and Travis' transformative trip to the Hansons' cabin
• 00:09:55 – From white collar to off-grid: Zach’s journey into trapping and trades
• 00:10:45 – Laid off and out of options: how trapping paid the mortgage
• 00:14:10 – Welding school, starting from zero, and why it matters
• 00:15:30 – How America abandoned trades and built a fragile workforce
• 00:18:45 – The great shift in education: STEM vs. self-reliance
• 00:22:15 – Redefining general education and the modern renaissance person
• 00:26:50 – The Venn diagram of AI and trades: where the winners will be
• 00:30:05 – Brain rot, social media, and the cost of convenience
• 00:34:45 – Travis' AI blunder with GSP and the perils of outsourcing sincerity
• 00:39:00 – Should we disclose when AI helps us? Ethical lines in creativity
• 00:44:20 – The power draw of AI and the trades crisis nobody’s ready for
• 00:47:05 – Oklahoma’s model for reviving trades in high school
• 00:52:25 – TVM vs. TVE: Why building it yourself will always matter more
• 01:00:55 – What do you really do? Redefining identity outside of job titles
• 01:04:00 – What success looks like when you stop chasing titles
• 01:10:30 – A friend lost to suicide and the mental health cost of obsolescence
• 01:15:15 – The Adobe example: fear of learning something new vs. choosing growth
• 01:17:00 – Why The Trade Gap is ultimately about giving people more options