Jeff Evely served 20 years in the Canadian Armed Forces, with deployments to Afghanistan and Iraq. He came home, retired to his hometown in Cape Breton, and within months found himself arrested at a war memorial he was trying to guard, then later fined nearly $29,000 for walking in the woods during a Nova Scotia fire ban.

He fought back. And he won.

In this conversation, Travis sits down with Jeff to unpack the $29,000 ticket, the court win against the Nova Scotia government, the trucker convoy and Rolling Thunder arrests, and what it actually takes for one person to push back against institutions that have stopped listening. They also get into the Fourth Turning, stoicism, Carl Sagan and skepticism, the limits of the courts, why politics is downstream from culture, and the deepest personal cost Jeff has paid for standing on principle.
A conversation about courage, consequences, and what it costs to hold the line.

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Timestamps 

00:00 Cold open
00:42 Twenty years in, vaccine mandates out
02:00 Refused at the Legion, the lone protest begins
04:09 Trucker Convoy, taking down the fence
05:00 Arrested walking to the war memorial in his medals
07:00 Rolling Thunder and the limits of standing on your rights
10:10 The Fourth Turning and why institutions are collapsing
18:17 Anything currently going right
20:51 Portapique, gun policy, and the firearms debate
23:51 Wildfires, arson, and the climate narrative shift
25:28 How the Silvercore Club came to exist
35:42 The $29,000 fine and the court win
46:00 Why courts alone won't change the culture
48:15 Carl Sagan, skepticism, and a logical framework
52:20 COVID, the fog, and the totalitarian impulse
59:41 Anarcho-tyranny and the strategy to destabilize
01:03:00 Shame, accountability, and bringing consequences back
01:14:00 May Day Kids in Crisis and confronting Poilievre
01:22:32 Victimhood, cultural Marxism, and the trans question
01:28:40 The greatest price: his daughter
01:31:09 Raising kids on logic, what could change his mind
01:35:00 Hard times, strong men, and how we raise the next generation
01:37:13 Close

Last Friday, the Pentagon released 162 declassified UFO files through a brand-new portal called PURSUE. The first formal federal release in 80 years. Some are calling it disclosure. Some are calling it a nothing burger.
Rocky Swanson has spent his life inside the kind of system that handles this material. Joined the Royal Canadian Army Cadets at twelve. Served a full career in the Canadian Armed Forces, including a NORAD posting. Came home and became deputy fire chief in the town he grew up in. He was approached by the federal government to advise on a Canadian UAP initiative alongside sitting members of parliament. He was a guest co-host on a podcast that interviewed Lue Elizondo, the former Pentagon official who put UFOs on the front page of the New York Times in 2017. He got close enough to see the seams.

In this episode Travis and Rocky walk through the Pentagon release, the actual evidence in the new tranche, why three pilots are not the same thing as three radar tracks, why Skinwalker Ranch matters more than people think, what really happened inside AATIP, who Bob Lazar actually is, and why the most interesting UAP case Rocky has ever encountered did not come from the Pentagon at all. It came from an F-18 pilot over the Canadian Arctic.
Rocky believes in the possibility of life out there. He does not believe the people on stage right now are the ones who have found it.
If you came to this conversation looking for someone who will tell you what to believe, you are in the wrong place. If you came looking for someone who will tell you how to think about this honestly, settle in.

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Chapter timestamps

00:00  Cold open. The Pentagon just released 162 UFO files
01:50  How a mutual friend's UAP footage started this conversation
03:40  The conservation officer sighting that no one can explain
07:30  Reading the Diary of a CEO UFO episode like a detective
09:20  What an actual thermal imagery expert sees in the new footage
17:00  The Nimitz Tic Tac case is not what you think it is
21:00  Rocky admits he was starstruck by the Pentagon witnesses
24:00  Wile E. Coyote, age 9, and Rocky's own first UFO sighting
27:00  The 2016 moment that pulled him back into the rabbit hole
33:00  Applying arson investigator rigor to UFO claims
36:00  Why the Go Fast, Gimbal and Tic Tac videos were chosen
39:30  Why is Trump releasing the files now?
42:00  The intelligence friends who believe, and won't say why
45:00  What would actually change Rocky's mind
47:00  Rocky's CIA-adjacent contacts and how grifts get built
50:00  The isotopic ratio testing story that fell apart
51:00  When the Pentagon tried to read him in to NORAD programs
54:00  The Sky Canada Project, and what Canada is actually doing
56:00  Asking the base commander permission to study UFOs
57:00  F-18 pilots who saw things they couldn't explain
1:01:00  Japan Airlines Flight 1628 and the Arctic walnut-shape sighting
1:03:00  The Canadian general who became Rocky's most credible witness
1:09:00  Collective ignorance versus a cabal
1:12:00  Bob Lazar has the credibility of a Labrador retriever
1:15:00  Those who talk don't know. Those who know don't talk.
1:19:00  Skinwalker Ranch and the dino beaver problem
1:23:00  How Paul Hellyer got used by the UFO community
1:26:00  Religion, ufology, and the snake-kissing Pentecostal connection
1:28:00  Admiral Tim Gallaudet, hauntings, and pre-positioned belief
1:33:00  Why humans are drawn to this in the first place
1:39:00  Science asks questions. Ufology asks you to believe.
1:42:00  What Obama actually said. What Trump actually meant.
1:45:00  Don't be pulled down the rabbit hole
1:46:00  The series begins. What we'll do next.

Dr. Noah Schwartz is the political scientist who decided he could not write honestly about Canada's gun community without going through the licensing system himself. He took the PAL. He took the RPAL. He sat at 84 kitchen tables across this country. What he found is a story most Canadians have never heard.

In this episode we cover the largest deliberate mass casualty event in Canadian history that almost nobody remembers, why the handgun freeze was announced after a shooting in Texas, the policy framework Czechia used after a university massacre that did the opposite of what Canada did, and what it means that single-shot black powder pistols were banned alongside Glocks.

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Timestamps

00:00:00  Cold open and Silvercore Club

00:01:16  Welcome and meeting at the NFA event

00:02:01  What political science is and how Schwartz fell into firearms research

00:05:18  Breaking suburban-Ottawa preconceptions, his first time shooting in rural Alberta

00:08:51  American gun rights vs Canadian citizenship, the load-bearing distinction

00:11:27  What being treated fairly looks like, the handgun freeze and inheritance

00:13:55  Teaching gun politics at university, viewpoint diversity in the classroom

00:17:54  Storytelling, evolution, and why narrative beats statistics

00:23:00  Mass shootings, mental health framing, and why fear overrides evidence

00:25:46  Why Targeted exists, and who it is actually written for

00:27:30  The two factions of Canadian gun advocacy, hunters and sport shooters

00:31:23  Civilian-military reconnection, rifle shooting as the first federally funded sport

00:33:18  The aesthetics theory, what black rifles communicate to both sides

00:36:14  Canadian identity, the CBC, the National Film Board, and the gunless cowboy

00:39:20  Finland and the Nordic security model

00:41:11  The case for a Canadian firearms museum

00:43:41  Making the gun the object instead of the person

00:45:00  The largest deliberate mass casualty events in Canadian history, including Bluebird Cafe

00:48:13  Why cars and alcohol kill more people but face less regulation

00:51:13  The 6 percent problem, gun owners as a political minority

00:53:01  Interest group capture and why the community loses 70 percent of the time

00:55:30  Reconnecting firearms to national defence, Carney's civil-servant proposal

01:01:30  The OIC, executive overreach, and why parliament matters

01:04:35  Black powder pistols banned alongside Glocks

01:05:15  Why the handgun freeze was announced after Uvalde, Texas

01:08:19  The Czech Republic, Charles University, and a different policy response

01:10:30  The real causes of crime, mental health, and harm reduction

01:12:30  How current laws stop gun owners from seeking mental health help

01:17:51  Blake Brown and the Angry White Men question

01:22:32  Why treating the media as the enemy is a losing strategy

01:25:23  Personal agency and not outsourcing your voice to organizations

01:28:04  RCMP variant reclassifications and the case for objective criteria

01:33:00  The Bader 2020 OIC affidavit, prohibited weapons absurdities, charge stacking

01:37:15  What he would tell a PhD student starting on Canadian firearms policy

01:39:00  Suppressors and the next policy fight

01:40:29  Closing message to young Canadian hunters and sport shooters

01:42:34  Wrap

George Bumann can hear a coyote two miles away and tell you there's a wolf on
 the ridge. He's watched ravens rat out approaching eagles before they're visible. He's tracked a mountain lion by thinking like one until the birds around him started treating him like a predator.

The uncomfortable truth? Every time you step into the woods, the entire landscape is already talking about you. Your location, your mood, your intentions. All of it, broadcast across hundreds of yards before you see a single animal.

George spent four decades decoding animal language from his home at the edge of Yellowstone. In this episode, he reveals what the animals are actually saying, why experienced hunters are still missing most of it, and the one skill you can start practicing this weekend that changes everything.

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0:00:00 - Introduction and sponsor messages
0:01:54 - George Bumann joins the Silvercore Podcast
0:03:09 - What inspired George to write Eavesdropping on Animals
0:04:00 - Tracking foxes as a kid and the mystery of how animals know you're there
0:05:16 - Why George stopped hunting: health, family history, and an honest reckoning
0:09:00 - Why stepping away from hunting actually deepened his understanding of wildlife
0:11:19 - The Eden epiphany: the moment birds revealed the hidden language of the wild
0:16:02 - The coyote's word for "wolf" and how George reads animal alarms at distance
0:21:03 - Establishing a baseline: spotting the absence of normal
0:22:00 - Spidey sense, military awareness, and why rural kids have the sharpest instincts
0:25:24 - Indigenous wisdom: thinking happy thoughts on a moose hunt
0:27:27 - Your emotional state changes how animals perceive you
0:30:00 - Clever Hans the horse: what animals read in us that we don't know we're broadcasting
0:34:00 - Tracking a mountain lion by getting inside its head
0:37:48 - Crows that recognize your vehicle and hold grudges
0:42:37 - Ravens and wolves: Norse mythology meets field observation
0:49:13 - A grizzly bear encounter in British Columbia
0:54:28 - When the squirrels alarm you, the hunt is over
0:56:13 - The chickadee alarm system: counting the Ds to measure danger
1:00:00 - Trying to outsmart ravens (and failing)
1:03:20 - How your mood changes every animal encounter
1:07:07 - Prairie dogs describing your shirt colour and how fast you walk
1:08:06 - Disabilities as superpowers: ADHD, hearing loss, and trained senses
1:14:04 - Sitting with Jon Young and discovering what 70 observers reveal
1:17:41 - How AI is transforming animal language research
1:22:00 - Why game calls fool judges but not turkeys
1:24:45 - How do you call a beaver?
1:29:54 - Animal accents: why crows sound different in California, Alaska, and Maine
1:35:20 - The honeycomb landscape: reading the shape of silence
1:36:08 - Don't walk like a human: moving through the woods like a squirrel or turkey
1:40:24 - Why being quiet and receptive makes you a better person, not just a better hunter
1:44:47 - Silvercore Club member question: the single most important thing you can start doing now
1:46:22 - Faith, nature, and finding your church outside
1:49:40 - It's about belonging: why nature connection fights loneliness and depression
1:52:49 - Closing thoughts and part two teaser

Torkel Norling does 200 to 300 wounded game recoveries a year. He gets called by Swedish police in the middle of the night to track traffic-hit wildlife, hunts brown bears and lynx with dogs he's bred himself, and just wrote the book on modern blood tracking. Literally.
In this episode, we cover the massive differences between Swedish and North American hunting culture, what happens during a real police tracking callout at 2 AM, a brown bear charge that stopped two meters from his face, the mental framework that separates good trackers from great ones, and why the "never quit" attitude matters more than breed, gear or method. Whether you track with dogs or alone with flagging tape and a headlamp, this one's for you.

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Time Stamps

[00:00:00] Intro and welcome
[00:02:12] Swedish government-hunter relationship vs. North American friction
[00:04:53] 12,000 wildlife accidents a year: Torkel's tracking operation
[00:06:00] Moose population decline, wolves and Allemansrätten (right to roam)
[00:07:44] BC vs. Sweden moose numbers and management philosophy
[00:10:02] Why Sweden shoots cows and calves first, the science behind it
[00:13:52] Wolf politics, the rural-urban divide
[00:16:00] Two hunting traditions: independent forest dogs vs. continental driven hunts
[00:18:48] Travis's Swedish hunting experiences, from Sollerön to the Norma estate
[00:25:18] Advice for hunters without dogs, and why Torkel says there's no substitute
[00:28:18] Police callout walkthrough: what happens when the phone rings at 2 AM
[00:33:33] Hulda the scent hound, trained to only track on asphalt
[00:36:22] The two-dog system, switching from tracker to bay dog
[00:38:25] Close calls with wounded game, the mentality that separates good from great
[00:40:52] The brown bear stories, dog sacrifice and a charge in the dark
[00:46:36] Why Torkel felt zero stress with a bear two meters away
[00:48:33] Travis on tunnel vision: skiing, motorcycles and a grizzly survivor
[00:51:24] The stair model for stress, starting low and staying below the red line
[00:53:14] Inoculation training: visualization, close-range drills and the safety bubble
[01:01:02] Physical fitness as the foundation for mental toughness
[01:02:16] The never-quit attitude, what elite trackers all have in common
[01:06:21] Breaking tracking into single missions: find the start, follow the track
[01:08:00] When you lose the trail, go back to the beginning and find your mistake
[01:13:53] Practical tips for tracking without a dog
[01:18:11] Drones, night vision, thermal: what Sweden allows after the shot
[01:20:55] How Swedish hunt teams self-regulate without conservation officers
[01:24:00] Bear hunting regulations, the two-dog limit and Plott Hounds from North America
[01:29:44] Dog injuries and the reality of close-quarters predator work
[01:35:05] Old methods vs. new, why emotion and tradition block progress
[01:40:22] Top performers share knowledge freely, ego kills development
[01:44:27] Where to find Modern Blood Tracking and how to connect with Torkel

Nathan James, known online as Sir Drifto, holds the world altitude record for the highest electric paramotor flight and has flown hundreds of miles in a vintage open cockpit biplane with his dad. He's also the kind of guy who once tried to fly a paramotor under a bridge and lost his sponsorship in the process.

In this conversation, we talk about what happens when the risk-to-reward ratio flips, why real adventure can't be bought through a booking agent, the Camel Trophy / Defender Trophy comeback, growing up on dirt bikes and two-strokes, what every young person should experience at least once, AI and predictive surveillance, and why the simplest eras might have produced the most capable people.

Nathan is heading to British Columbia for the Defender Trophy, the successor to the legendary Camel Trophy, and this conversation captures exactly the kind of person they'd want behind the wheel.

Silvercore Podcast 182 Nathan James - Sir Drifto

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Timestamps:

00:00 Intro and the Sir Drifto origin

01:34 Life is short and the risk-to-reward ratio

03:03 When risk stops falling only on you

05:20 Dirt bikes at eight and the berm that changed everything

08:33 Counting birthdays you didn't expect to reach

10:13 Regret as the real balancing act

11:50 Contrived hardship vs. real challenge

14:23 What every young person should experience once

17:36 The Wall-E problem and the softening of capability

22:01 Technology, instant gratification, and lost patience

24:06 Face-to-face connection as the future commodity

27:21 Photoshopping a report card and the sinking jet boat

30:29 The world record electric paramotor flight

40:42 The altitude and would he do it again

42:12 Why winter was the only option

43:22 Flying a Piper Cub cross-country with his dad

47:15 The broken fuel gauge and cornfield contingencies

52:11 The Defender Trophy (Camel Trophy successor) in BC

57:56 Whether it'll be televised

01:00:23 Safety third

01:01:17 Flying a paramotor under a bridge

01:04:12 The helicopter laser incident and federal consequences

01:12:28 AI, facial recognition, and pre-crime prediction

01:16:54 Favorite movies and books

01:22:06 Write down your bucket list and challenge every excuse

Josh Botha showed up to his first precision rifle match with a blind-magazine .204 Ruger and no idea what he was doing. A decade later, he's a four-time Team Canada World Championship competitor, senior designer at MDT (Modular Driven Technologies), founder of the BC Precision Rifle League, and the man behind North Star Precision Training.

In this episode, Josh shares his journey from South Africa to England to BC, how archery led him into the precision rifle world, what it's really like inside MDT's culture, and the massive news about MDT acquiring Lone Peak Arms. We dig into the mental game of competitive shooting, the NRL Hunter format, wind reading, barriers to entry for new PRS shooters, the role of faith in business and life, and why one person stepping up can change everything.

🎁 This month we're giving away a SAI Mini Red Dot to an active Outpost listener - Silvercore Club members, activate the Outpost in your member portal to enter!

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Timestamps:

0:00 Intro & SAI Mini Red Dot Giveaway

1:30 Meet Josh Botha: Competitive Shooter & MDT Designer

2:16 Knocking Over Josh's Rifle at a PRS Match

4:24 Growing Up in South Africa & Moving to England

7:00 Family Moves to Canada: Landing on Canada Day 2006

8:33 BC as the Best of South Africa and England Combined

10:00 From BCIT Mechanical Engineering to "Pretensioneer"

11:55 MDT's People-First Culture and Hiring Philosophy

13:16 MDT's Origin Story: From Rooster33 to Martin's Vision

14:28 MDT Acquires Lone Peak Arms: What It Means

16:50 Passion vs. Career: Drawing the Line

18:48 How Archery Led Josh Into Precision Rifle

21:00 First PRS Match: A .204 Ruger and No Idea

22:00 The BC Sniper Match & Why the PRS Community Is Different

27:00 PRS Attracts "Weird Gear Math Nerds" — And That's Great

28:00 The Mental Game: Almost All of It Is Mental Now

29:13 Conscious Competence to Subconscious Mastery

30:06 Wind Reading: The Great Equalizer

30:50 Barriers to Entry: Cost, Fear & PRS .22 Matches

33:50 Launching North Star Precision Training

37:00 Training Venues & The BC Long Range Problem

38:00 Biggest Mistakes New Precision Rifle Shooters Make

39:27 Dealing with Match Pressure & First-Stage Jitters

41:00 NRL Hunter: The Most Fun Match Format Explained

46:00 Gear vs. Skill: LRF Binos, Tripods & Weight Limits

48:03 MDT's Content & Media Strategy: Becoming a Media Company

52:00 Education as Marketing: Magpul, Glock & MDT

54:50 AI in the Firearms Industry: Spanish & French YouTube Channels

57:37 Suppressors: Will MDT Get In the Game?

59:00 Fighting for Suppressor Legalization in Canada

1:02:49 The Power of One Person to Create Change

1:07:55 Leveraging Mentors & Asking for Help

1:08:46 Faith at MDT: A Quiet But Real Foundation

1:11:05 Josh's Faith Journey & Losing His Mom

1:13:29 A Transformative Six Months: Growth Through Trials

1:16:27 What's Next: 4th World Championship & Rimfire in Lithuania

1:19:00 Building a World Championship Rimfire Rig

1:20:14 Product Design: When "Done" Meets "Perfect"

1:23:21 MDT's Most Popular Products (Magazines & Chamber Flags)

1:24:38 CAPRA: The Canadian Precision Rifle Association Board

1:26:39 Addressing Conflict of Interest Criticism

1:30:28 Growth of PRS in Canada: From 75 Members to National Teams

1:32:12 Where to Find Josh & Final Thoughts

This episode introduces something new inside the Silvercore Club.

It’s called The Outpost.

A private weekly podcast for members where I share reflections from the field, lessons that stay with me, and thoughts that don’t always fit the format of the public show.

In this episode, I explain what The Outpost is and why I created it, and then share one of those private recordings titled Bear With Me.

Some experiences change how you see preparedness, responsibility, and awareness.

This is one of them.

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This was supposed to be a hot wing challenge.
It turned into something else.

We sat down to take on a melt your face off hot wing challenge and ended up in a real conversation about food, marriage, work, ambition, comfort, and the choices that shape a life over time.

The heat ramps up fast. Talking becomes harder. Filters disappear.

We talk about building something from scratch, walking away from paths that look good on paper, raising kids with intention, food as memory, food as connection, and why comfort has a way of slowly pulling people off course.

This episode also introduces The Wild Kitchen Podcast, a show about food, authors, hunters, foragers, and people who still know how to make things with their hands and feed the people they love.

Nothing here was planned. Nothing was cleaned up to make it tidy.

If you’re into honest conversations, good food, and doing things the hard way on purpose, this one will land.

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Timestamps

00:00 We commit to the hot wing challenge
01:45 Why the first attempt failed
04:10 What The Wild Kitchen is really about
07:30 Starting something and sticking with it
10:50 Food, memory, and why meals matter
14:40 The meals that never leave you
18:20 Heat kicks in and thinking gets harder
21:45 Comfort food and emotional attachment
24:50 Death row meals and what they reveal
30:15 What we wanted to be as kids
35:05 Leaving the path you were expected to follow
39:40 Work that feels honest
45:30 Food, family, and presence
50:00 Heat level check and regret
53:10 Old skills in a modern world
58:20 Belief, curiosity, and asking better questions
01:03:45 Pushing through discomfort
01:07:40 Failure, momentum, and self trust
01:12:20 Dealing with criticism
01:16:10 Grandparents, food, and inherited habits
01:20:40 Preservation, fermentation, and patience
01:24:10 Processing animals and community
01:28:10 What the future actually looks like
01:32:30 Final wing and closing thoughts

What looks obvious on video often tells the least important part of the story.

Chris Butler has spent decades inside high consequence decision making, as a search and rescue technician, a police inspector, a force science instructor, and an expert witness called into hundreds of use of force cases. In this conversation, we dig into how stress bends perception, why traditional training often fails under pressure, and how video evidence can mislead investigators, leaders, and the public.

We explore the difference between performance and learning, why mistakes are essential for real skill acquisition, how decision making degrades under stress, and what trainers, coaches, and leaders across any field can learn from force science.

This episode is for anyone responsible for training others, leading teams, or forming opinions based on partial information.

Key themes and takeaways

• Why performance during training is not the same as learning
• How retention and transfer actually work under stress
• The danger of linear, checkbox driven training models
• Decision training vs technique training
• Why video evidence feels convincing but can be wrong
• Frame rates, fisheye distortion, and perceptual gaps
• Leadership responsibility when public emotion is high
• Moral courage and restraint in the age of instant judgment

Who this episode is for

• Law enforcement and military trainers
• Coaches and instructors in any high pressure domain
• Leaders responsible for public trust
• Civilians who want better frameworks for evaluating viral footage

Links to Chris Butler’s work

• Trainer’s Bullpen Podcast - https://www.trainersbullpen.com
• Trainer’s Bullpen on Apple Podcasts - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/trainers-bullpen/id1661836359
• Trainer’s Bullpen on Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/2xxGiZkTlRlNh9NYl4AdGT
• Chris Butler, Force Science Instructor - https://www.forcescience.com/author/chris/
• Linkedin - https://ca.linkedin.com/in/chris-butler-b330943a

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Timestamps

00:00 Pressure bends perception and memory
01:10 Meeting Chris Butler before COVID shut everything down
03:00 From search and rescue to policing
05:10 When training mistakes nearly got people killed
07:30 Why personal skill does not equal teaching skill
09:45 The failure of linear, technique based training
12:10 Why law enforcement training ignores learning science
14:20 Performance vs learning explained
16:45 Retention and transfer, what actually matters
19:20 Why firearms qualification is meaningless
22:00 How force on force training changes outcomes
24:30 RCMP research and evidence based qualification changes
26:40 Decision training vs technique training
29:50 Why mistakes are essential for learning
33:10 The danger of spoonfeeding solutions
36:30 Why training under pressure works
39:10 Can this apply outside law enforcement
41:40 How experts analyze use of force incidents
44:10 Why video never tells the full story
46:50 Frame rates, missed actions, and false conclusions
49:30 Body cameras distort distance and threat perception
52:30 Leadership failure under public pressure
55:10 Moral courage and protecting your people
57:50 Final thoughts on training, leadership, and restraint