I begin by giving my thoughts on going on Nick's podcast this past Tuesday, followed by the reaction on Clare's guys that were released yesterday (11:33). Then Jazzy joins me to talk about her 5 seasons working as a casting producer on the Bachelor franchise, the hardships she endured, the lack of diversity not only on the show but behind the scenes, what made her speak out a month ago on Instagram, has it hurt her in the industry, and much more (21:12).

Music written by Jimmer Podrasky (B'Jingo Songs/Machia Music/Bug Music BMI)

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