This week Daisy and Francis are joined by Katherine Dee, a reporter and internet culture writer since 2018. She's here to discuss the evolution of e-girls, their cultural significance, and the changing landscape of media and online identity.

Katherine's X: https://x.com/default_friend

Katherine's Substack: https://substack.com/@defaultfriend

00:00:00 Unique art museum experiences

00:04:15 Defining e-girls and their evolution

00:10:50 Shifting media forms and declining media literacy

00:19:55 The anti-woke movement is an entertainment genre

00:27:07 Dolphin accelerationism

00:31:00 The ethics of interacting with AI

00:39:37 Internet history must always be an oral history

00:50:28 The loss of quality local news

00:57:41 The normie internet and subterranean internet split

Our intro song, Night Life, is written by Nakisso Peralta and performed by Chillers.