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Jessica and I sat down to talk about several stories from the past week involving religion and politics.

— Televangelist Jim Bakker had a stroke. And his legal team had a bad reason to keep selling his Silver Solution. (1:35)

— Do churches deserve stimulus money during the pandemic? (8:50)

— A New Mexico sheriff "deputized" 20 church members‚ which not-so-coincidentally means they don't have to follow lockdown orders. (16:44)

— An Illinois judge told a pastor the Bible says he doesn't need to gather in person to have a church service. (25:54)

— Just because Jesus didn't wear a face mask doesn't mean you should avoid one. (29:27)

— Guess how much a lifetime pass to Ark Encounter costs? (31:49)

— Cardinal George Pell escaped conviction for child sex abuse but he still knew about child sex abuse. (35:18)

— Here's what a major study of atheists found. (39:06)

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