Today on the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Security Awareness Series, Chris is joined by Shelby Dacko. Chris and Shelby delve into the intricacies of social engineering, focusing on the challenges of pivoting during on-site security assessments. Their discussion highlights the importance of adaptability and teamwork in overcoming unexpected obstacles, emphasizing how diverse communication styles can enhance the effectiveness of security operations. [Dec 15, 2025]

00:00 - Intro

00:34 - Shelby Dacko Intro

- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shelbydacko/

01:18 - Intro Links:

- Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/

- Offensive Security Vishing Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/vishing/

- Offensive Security SMiShing Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/smishing/

- Offensive Security Phishing Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/smishing/

- Call Back Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/call-back-phishing/

- Adversarial Simulation Services - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/adversarial-simulation/

- Social Engineering Risk Assessments - https://www.social-engineer.com/offensive-security/social-engineering-risk-assessment/

- Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb

- CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/

- innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/

03:42 - The Importance of Pivoting

05:42 - DISC

06:59 - A Difference in Planning Styles

10:34 - Strength Through Diversity

12:40 - Over the River...

19:29 - And Through the Woods

20:24 - Being Onsite

21:40 - Pivot! Pivot! Pivot!

24:02 - What if?

25:29 - Stray From the Path

28:25 - Strength In Numbers

29:27 - Playing Into Biases

31:43 - Wrap Up & Outro

- www.social-engineer.com

- www.innocentlivesfoundation.org