Noah interviews Pastor David Swanson on his book Rediscipling the White Church: From Cheap Diversity to True Solidarity.

David W. Swanson is the pastor of New Community Covenant Church, a multicultural congregation in Chicago's Bronzeville neighborhood. He helps lead New Community Outreach, a nonprofit that collaborates with the community to reduce sources of trauma, and speaks around the country on the topics of racial justice and reconciliation. 

More from David: Young Leaders: Here Are 10 Ways to “Lead Up” for Reconciliation and Racial Justice

Visit his website at dwswanson.com.

Follow him on Twitter: @davidwswanson.

Listen to him preach on his church’s podcast.