Host Cody Cook sits down with esteemed journalist and author Stephen Kinzer to delve into the shadowy world of CIA’s former mind control program, MK-ULTRA, as explored in Kinzer’s book Poisoner in Chief. The discussion focuses on the enigmatic figure of Sidney Gottlieb, the program's leader, and his dual personality – a torturer by day and a gentle, nature-loving bohemian by night.

Kinzer offers insights into the origins and motivations behind MK-ULTRA, revealing the agency's fears of Soviet and Chinese advancements in mind control during the early Cold War. The conversation explores Gottlieb's gruesome experiments, involving torture and chemical agents, and the recruitment of former Nazi and Japanese scientists.

Kinzer and Cook discuss the evolving concept of the "deep state" and the intersection of political interests and government actions, offering a thought-provoking examination of conspiracy theories and their plausibility.

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