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Join us on Episode 45 of the Pastor | Scholar Podcast as we ask what if the way we measure “church health” isn’t as clear as we think? Scripture calls us to make disciples, not just count visible responses, yet we often look for numbers to tell the story. In this conversation, we wrestle with what baptism truly signifies, what it doesn’t, and whether our metrics reflect genuine spiritual life or something more surface level. If faith comes by hearing and obedience flows from the heart, are we asking the right questions about growth and fruit?  

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