(SPOILERS) I discuss Becca's final four guys, then Michael joins me to talk about how he got started in the business, what his role was when he worked on the "Bachelor" and "Bachelorette" and what that entailed (8:45), producers on site vs the people who edit the show (12:23), the first "Bachelorette" season and did he ever imagine the show would be on this long (20:42), producing a network reality show vs cable show (27:08), favorite seasons he worked on (31:10), reality TV producers getting bad raps - should contestants know what they're getting into (35:35), how he produces a contestant (40:09), is it his job to manipulate contestants and is there a line he won't cross (49:33), getting emotional responses out of contestants and how it's not as hard as you'd think (1:01:39), and we end it with talking about something which came up on last week's podcast and that's should there be more help given to contestants post-show (1:06:15).

Music by Jimmer Podrasky (B'Jingo Songs/Machia Music/Bug Music BMI)

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