Steven Rinella talks with Benji Backer, Ryan Callaghan, and Randall Williams.

Topics discussed: How wilderness is (or should be) non-partisan; pulling a B&E at Doug’s place; the latest anti-hunting crusade over Florida’s bear hunt; knocking on doors for candidates at age 10 and starting a PAC at 18; becoming disillusioned and starting Nature Is Nonpartisan; what we define as a conservation “win”; politicians being the problem; creating space for a national conservation coalition; farmers mitigating climate change; not “shitting up” America; and more.

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