Today we're joined by a show favorite, Katy Faust, founder of Them Before Us, for part two of our discussion on big fertility's increasing presence in our culture. We start off with the ethical issue of frozen embryos from IVF, or "souls on ice," and what to do with them. We discuss whether embryo adoption is a viable option and what the repercussions might still be. We look at a few surrogacy and IVF horror stories and explain just how strong and essential the mother-baby bond is. We also discuss Italy's PM Giorgia Meloni and her anti-surrogacy measures, which, despite being good measures, have been widely criticized. Then, a controversial question: Should gay couples adopt?

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Timecodes:

(01:03) Embyros on ice / embryo adoption

(11:10) Surrogate baby in Mexico

(14:05) Paris Hilton's embryos on ice/ Brittney Pearson

(23:07) Mother / baby bond

(28:40) Giorgia Meloni's anti-surrogacy bill

(35:32) Should gay couples adopt?

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Relevant Episodes:

Ep 836 | Surrogacy Horror: Gay ‘Dads’ Demand Abortion | Guest: Brittney Pearson https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-836-surrogacy-horror-gay-dads-demand-abortion-guest/id1359249098?i=1000620814003

Ep 482 | Children Have the Right to a Mom and a Dad | Guest: Katy Faust https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-482-children-have-the-right-to-a-mom-and-a/id1359249098?i=1000534144056

Ep 695 | Why Children's Rights Trump Adults' Feelings | Guest: Katy Faust https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-695-why-childrens-rights-trump-adults-feelings-guest/id1359249098?i=1000583336623

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