As well as writing the extremely influential “Shibari You Can Use: Japanese Rope Bondage and Erotic Macramé”, Lee Harrington has taught over 1100 classes. Fox and Mya asked him about his experiences as a rope educator, focusing particularly on on classes that explore tying non-cisgender men and women. In this interview, hear them discuss:

• How he got into education - reluctantly!

• Education and tips on being a better rope educator

• His best and worst education moments

• How he avoids rope educator burn out

• Modelling vulnerability as a teacher

• How he keeps his (extensive!) class list fresh for him and his students

• Using rope to emphasise (and deemphasise) different parts of the body

• How the rope community can do better for transgender people

• What makes a good genderqueer tie

• Ideas on how to use rope to masculinise and feminise

• And more!