It was a pleasure to be joined in the tortoise shack by Neuroscientist and member of ISAG, Tomás Ryan about the current Covid situation, the way out of it and the choices available to both the Government and Irish society.

We cover a lot of ground in this podcast, including the health vs economic debate and the framing of Zero Covid as radical in mainstream media. Tomás clearly articulates the options and identifies the ways to make this our last lockdown.

Follow Tomás on twitter @TJRyan_7

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